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#125498 - 12/18/04 03:56 PM This a crime and someone should be put in jail!
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When visiting a National Retail Chain to see how another store was wired in preparing to bid a new location,
I ran across this situation in a storage area near the MDP!

Jeff




Please tell me more!

[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 12-20-2004).]
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#125499 - 12/18/04 08:05 PM Re: This a crime and someone should be put in jail!
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This isnt an optical illusion, or hasnt been 'touched up' with photo shop, right?
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#125500 - 12/19/04 11:00 AM Re: This a crime and someone should be put in jail!
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No!

This was in found in a PETCO store in Pennsylvania!

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#125501 - 12/19/04 12:39 PM Re: This a crime and someone should be put in jail!
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Methinks this is a prime example of why the Code didn't allow NM or Romex in conduit for so long. (Other than short lengths for protection.)

How long is the conduit in this case?

But in reality, it's still way too full even if it's only a stub.

[This message has been edited by mxslick (edited 12-19-2004).]
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#125502 - 12/20/04 01:50 AM Re: This a crime and someone should be put in jail!
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This was the correct orientation, and the rest of the conduit terminates in a trough in the ceiling area.

The stub wasn't supported anywhere above the panel. Needless to say, the lazy electrician didn't bother to put a fitting with a plastic bushing to protect the NM.

Upon further review, you can see knockouts not being used that haven't been closed, and the trough is missing the corner cover. Did the electrician derate these cables? Doesn't anyone care about what they do?

Where was the Inspector?

Just drive down any street and observe wiring methods that are incorrect, and be guaranteed that the electrician who does things this way thinks they are right, and charges an arm and two legs.
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#125503 - 12/20/04 10:40 AM Re: This a crime and someone should be put in jail!
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Registered: 12/03/04
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why are they even using romex in a commercial building??? where's the mc??

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#125504 - 12/22/04 07:37 PM Re: This a crime and someone should be put in jail!
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Romex in commercial... I feel the same way!
But it is allowed in many places.

"...guaranteed that the electrician who does things this way thinks they are right, and charges an arm and two legs."

You would be surprised at how many "electricians" would think this was OK. As anyone can call themselves anything they want, short of Lawyer, and Doctor these days, it seems. Then again, if I had a PhD in basket weaving, I could go for the Doctor monicker.
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#125505 - 12/23/04 07:31 PM Re: This a crime and someone should be put in jail!
nesparky Offline
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Registered: 06/21/01
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Loc: omaha,ne
yes
Romex is legal in commercial work.
I personally think that is a bad idea but having lost bids to those who do this, I will try to bid apples to apples. Just wish more places would have a conduit ordinance for commercial/industrial work.
I also love seeing those who come into town here and put romex in commercial here loose thier shirts due to the local conduit ordinance.
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#125506 - 12/23/04 07:40 PM Re: This a crime and someone should be put in jail!
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Where's this Petco store located? I remember about eight(8) years ago, a local Petco burned down to the ground...
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#125507 - 12/25/04 05:04 AM Re: This a crime and someone should be put in jail!
Joe Tedesco Offline
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This was at a PETCO Store in Warminster, PA.

I have just passed my Master Electrician Exam from ICC and when I get Projects to bid, I usually go to visit a site that is operational. This is the only picture I took at this site.

I usually see things like this all the time, sometimes wondering how a "Qualified Electrician" gets away with this shoddy, and almost always these hazardous installation techniques. When I find these in the future,
I will take more than one picture.

If I did work like this, I would not be able to sleep at night, knowing that what I have installed could cause a fire, injure and perhaps cause loss of life.

I take pride in my firm's work, and if I see my work being done anything less than perfect, I go crazy. But I always inspect everything, every day. I suppose it is one of the advantages of being a small contractor. I need to figure out, as I get larger to be able to keep the standards I, and the industry set maintained. Good
well-trained employees, and continuing education helps.
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