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#123741 - 05/03/06 07:51 PM More Sloppy Work
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Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 3142
Loc: NY, USA
This slop job is right outside of Philly in Ridley Park. A builder called me and asked if I could help him finish this house. The EC closed his business and stuck him.

- HCE727

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#123742 - 05/04/06 12:03 PM Re: More Sloppy Work
mamills Offline

Registered: 11/30/01
Posts: 739
Loc: Wharton, Texas, USA
Where do you start to criticize something like this (and mind you, I'm not an electrician):
- What is the reason for all the holes punched in the ceiling? Clumsy footwork, bad initial placement of the ceiling cans, etc.?
- What's wrong with having two switches that are so close together mounted on a two-gang plaster ring, rather than separate boxes (and, as it appears, not even at the same height)?
- The sloppy, unsecured home runs to the breaker panel, and even the wiring inside it, have all the appearance of a poor temporary job at best. We have seen on this forum how neatly this work CAN be done by someone who cares about his workmanship. I see numerous white wires connected to breakers without being re-identified, and the panel itself seems awfully full for a new home, with very little room left for future additions. While this is a small thing, the installation of the service receptacle without using a close nipple or an offset really looks cheap.
- I don't know much about the service entrance cable from the meter to the panel inside, but using conduit in this space seems a much better choice, and probably a lot safer. Is the main breaker in the panel, in fact, the only main disconnect, or is there one next to the meter outside?
- I don't have a table for figuring wire fill, but it's even obvious to me that this box is way over the limit. Seeing six wirenuts in this box, including one on a single white wire, makes me think that the ex-EC even did a poor job of laying out this circuit.

Mike (mamills)

#123743 - 05/04/06 02:05 PM Re: More Sloppy Work
wa2ise Offline

Registered: 11/29/02
Posts: 769
Loc: Oradell NJ USA
Too many breakers in that panel, yes? I think I see 43 breakers, and if I recall correctly the code's limit is 42.

#123744 - 05/04/06 04:09 PM Re: More Sloppy Work
mahlere Offline

Registered: 11/17/05
Posts: 514
Loc: New Jersey
best thing that guy did was go out of business

#123745 - 05/04/06 04:47 PM Re: More Sloppy Work
techie Offline

Registered: 05/17/05
Posts: 240
Loc: palo alto, ca usa
I count 44 breakers. (25 on the left, including 5 twins, 19 on the right including 2 twins.)

It looks like all the white wires connected to breakers are neutrals going to GFI or AFCI devices, and their associated pigtails, with the exception of 10/2 going to the dual 30 at the bottom right.

[This message has been edited by techie (edited 05-04-2006).]

#123746 - 05/04/06 06:41 PM Re: More Sloppy Work
HCE727 Offline

Registered: 11/11/05
Posts: 190
Loc: Delaware County, PA, USA
Picture #1 - He roughed for recessed lights and then he couldn't find the the wires. Why not put the housings in , in the rough?

Picture #2 - Why not a 2-gang? the switch on the right had wires in the box, but none to the switch?

Picture #3,4,5 - The builder finished the basement, he told the builder that he had to move the panel forward?

Picture #6 - 200-amp cable twisted, connectors on the meter socket were not even tightened.

Picture #7 - I count 13 conductors plus the grounds.

The basement two 3-ways and two 4-ways that did not work. He ran all of the travelers to one junction box, I counted eight 3-wires and two 2 wires in one standard 1900 box with no cover, I guess he couldn't get it on.

#123747 - 05/04/06 09:33 PM Re: More Sloppy Work
Kurtis Lind Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 6
Loc: Thorp, WA, U.S.A.
does the code reference 110.12 come to anyone else's mind?

#123748 - 05/05/06 06:05 AM Re: More Sloppy Work
goodwill Offline

Registered: 08/23/04
Posts: 53
Loc: Madison, WI, USA
check out the "finished" carpentry....can you say "wood filler"!

#123749 - 05/05/06 06:25 AM Re: More Sloppy Work
Bill Addiss Offline

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 4196
Loc: NY, USA
Re: #2 It would be nice if the two switches matched.


#123750 - 05/05/06 03:11 PM Re: More Sloppy Work
steve ancient apprentice Offline

Registered: 03/04/05
Posts: 170
Loc: west springfield,mass
Saw too many breakers in the panel first off. Panel is a mess and the rest of the work is shoddy at best. As I usually say yuck what a mess!!

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