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#123580 - 04/14/06 08:25 PM The Dream Bath
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from Jim M

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This "dream bath" was just in the April issue of Professional Builder".

We may want to familiarize ourselves with the latest trends in bathrooms.

Here is a quote from the article "Lighting: Lighting is critical, says Barclay. different levels of lighting make a difference. Place a chandelier over the tub or add sconces throughout the room to create a new look."

Here is the part of the caption. "Placing chandeliers and other specialty
lighting in the tub area accents the luxurious look of the bathroom."
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Just how do you decorate around the red sticker?
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"What do you mean you won't put pendants over my tub? I saw it in the
magazine."




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#123581 - 04/14/06 09:06 PM Re: The Dream Bath
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#123582 - 04/14/06 09:40 PM Re: The Dream Bath
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suppose those pendants were gfi protected i cant see a major issue with this it does look good and besides there is no shower head as i can see ..... not like water is going to be a major issue..??:
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#123583 - 04/15/06 01:29 AM Re: The Dream Bath
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Alan I agree with you to some extent.

But the installation in the picture violates NEC rules.

In the US it seems that we must protect people from their own stupid actions, such as trying to change a lamp on a live fixture while taking a bath.

Personally I think this attitude circumvents natural selection and will result in the dumbing down of the general population.

The problem with a a magazine article like this is that the homeowners ask the electrician to replicate the installation and the electrician has to break the news to the homeowner.

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410.4(D) Bathtub and Shower Areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaires (fixtures), hanging luminaires (fixtures), lighting track, pendants, or ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 ft) horizontally and 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall.


Interestingly wall sconces are allowed in the zone by the NEC.
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#123584 - 04/15/06 02:27 AM Re: The Dream Bath
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Personally I think this attitude circumvents natural selection and will result in the dumbing down of the general population


I'm going to try that one on the inspector next time!!

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#123585 - 04/15/06 02:55 AM Re: The Dream Bath
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In the UK we have low voltage fittings for this purpose - are similar items not available for this use in the US??

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#123586 - 04/15/06 01:11 PM Re: The Dream Bath
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I can just see it.

Stand up, bump head on light fitting, break bulb, get zapped through to bath water...

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#123587 - 04/15/06 04:48 PM Re: The Dream Bath
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Bob said:
In the US it seems that we must protect people from their own stupid actions, such as trying to change a lamp on a live fixture while taking a bath.



If you think about it, that's when a bad bulb is most likely to get replaced. It doesn't need doing when nobody is bathing.

The roof can't be fixed when it's raining, and it doesn't need fixing when it's not raining. Right?

[This message has been edited by Larry Fine (edited 04-15-2006).]
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#123588 - 04/15/06 08:01 PM Re: The Dream Bath
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680.43B seems to suggest that it IS possible to mount lights over this tub....but not these particular lights!

Alan, you're not far off.... apart from requirng GFI protection, the fixtures are required to be enclosed, and suitable for a damp location.

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#123589 - 04/16/06 12:14 PM Re: The Dream Bath
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I will admit, They do look nice, but that is it.. Personally, with THAT fixture I know I would ding my head off of them, aside from other safety and code concerns.

A.D

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