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#121702 - 08/11/05 04:29 AM A New Use for the Back Stab
electure Offline


Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 4226
Loc: Fullerton, CA USA
Noticed carpenters having trouble with their “plug in GFI unit” on a job I am in the process of demo, and starting rough. An outlet in one of the walls to remain seemed to give them trouble… Thought I would take a peek at it, after I hooked up proper temp power. Found this on a K&T fed outlet, I expect I will find more… Original K&T wiring through-out, and all of the outlets are 3-prong….

Mark Heller (e57)

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#121703 - 08/11/05 07:39 AM Re: A New Use for the Back Stab
iwire Offline

Registered: 01/05/03
Posts: 4343
Loc: North Attleboro, MA USA
Its all good, they used green wire.
Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician

#121704 - 08/11/05 09:35 AM Re: A New Use for the Back Stab
SvenNYC Offline

Registered: 08/19/02
Posts: 1685
Loc: New York City
What was the point of doing that?

Considering how tough it is to bend tiny lengths of wire like that.

I guess they confused the terms "grounding conductor" versus "groundED conductor"?

Ahhh...I see it's one of those cheapie 50 cent Lowe's specials from Cooper/Eagle Electric. Those are always good for some laughs.

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#121705 - 08/11/05 10:04 AM Re: A New Use for the Back Stab
n1ist Offline

Registered: 02/13/02
Posts: 176
Loc: Malden MA
That tricks the 3-bulb tester into showing that the outlet has a ground.

#121706 - 08/11/05 02:05 PM Re: A New Use for the Back Stab
circuit man Offline

Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 287
Loc: saluda,s.c.
sven, what's so bad about these 50cent outlets? i use them all the time & have never had a problem with there quality or performance. now the levition ones i just toss in the trash , because they really are junk!

#121707 - 08/11/05 04:43 PM Re: A New Use for the Back Stab
e57 Offline

Registered: 05/27/03
Posts: 2837
Loc: S.F.,CA USA
Yep, the whole house! Some even fed Wiremoldy with it making the same type of contact, placing that neutral current right out there to play with.

All of the outlets are fairly new, adding GFI's was legal, (still is) and former owners sold this place for about $1.2M, they had the money to do it that way. Just some jerk either didn't know, or cheaped out. I'll opt for didn't know...
Mark Heller
"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason

#121708 - 08/12/05 07:07 AM Re: A New Use for the Back Stab
SvenNYC Offline

Registered: 08/19/02
Posts: 1685
Loc: New York City

My problem with the 50 cent outlets is that the contacts do loose their spring-action over a short period of time.

The Cooper blue-backs aren't as bad as the equivalent "residential grade" Levitons that Home Depot sells. Those REALLY don't last at all!

I saw the 50 cent Levitons used in an office/institutional environment that was renovated about four years ago.

Shortly after it opened, some of the sockets were already broken in half and dangling inside the box.

I prefer either the spec-grade Cooper grey-backs or - even better - the ones made by Bryant/Hubbell, when I can find those.


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