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#120661 - 04/28/05 11:58 PM Stealth Counter Receptacle  
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Would a receptacle be required for this space? It is about 24" left to right and 14" deep. Not standard counter depth but NEC makes no reference to depth only to width. (12 inches or wider) A good example of applying code to real situations while trying to satisfy a customer. Obviously there was no way she was going to let me cut a receptacle into that panel even though the tea set is probably more hideous!

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#120662 - 04/29/05 12:24 AM Re: Stealth Counter Receptacle  
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What's directly above the tea set? It looks like a receptacle, or is it a switch?

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#120663 - 04/29/05 01:02 AM Re: Stealth Counter Receptacle  
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It looks like there is plenty of room for a lamp or appliance to likely be used on that counter. Cabinets with doors on both sides would pose a real hazard to any cord passing in front of them. I'd say there is a real need for a recepticle at that location. It looks like you opted for one in the bottom of the top cabinet. Nice blend of asthetics and necessity.


#120664 - 04/29/05 10:04 AM Re: Stealth Counter Receptacle  
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Again, the language of the code does not reflect reality....I might call thei a "nook" or a "shelf," or an "open face cabinet."
If you wanted to add a receptacle, then perhaps from above?

I think that the code has gone a little overboard, crossed over from "safety" into "design," and needs to be fixed.


#120665 - 04/29/05 12:56 PM Re: Stealth Counter Receptacle  
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It looks like a shelf to me. Where is it written that a shelf can't be made out of granite?


#120666 - 04/29/05 10:54 PM Re: Stealth Counter Receptacle  
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Steve, it looks to me to be a slide dimmer.

A receptacle above a countertop must not be higher than 20" above the surface.


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#120667 - 04/30/05 09:44 AM Re: Stealth Counter Receptacle  
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It actually is a receptacle and it is 18" above the counter. So in effect it is legal. I was questioning weather or not a receptacle is even required here.


#120668 - 04/30/05 12:00 PM Re: Stealth Counter Receptacle  
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Where is this shelf/countertop located? kitchen?

The people who design these kitchens are paid very well and need to be more aware of the requirements, so the electrician is not stuck between a customer and the inspector.


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