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#117673 - 07/03/04 12:08 PM Re: Gasoline Upgrade
Webmaster Offline


Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 3142
Loc: NY, USA
Enclosed are photos from a gasoline upgrade I'm involved in. I went into the basement of the store to check the mechanical portion of this job. Put my hand on a piece of 2"pvc that went from one trough to another. Realized it was hot and started digging. The only thing on was canopy lights and a major sign. Shook my head when I realized all the wiring was #14, all was overloaded.Most running 13 or 14 amps. I finally spotted a brown #14 wire, turns out it used to be white and the last pic shows why it was brown. Promptly shut off breakers. I'm subbing and it ain't my responsibility. Called the company and they are supposed to fix. Took pics to CYA along with a fax so they can't deny being told in writing.

- Walrus (jon)

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#117674 - 07/03/04 04:57 PM Re: Re: Gasoline Upgrade
Bjarney Offline

Registered: 04/10/02
Posts: 2561
Loc: West-Southern Inner-Northeast ...
Love that snazzy homemade “control-equipment enclosure,” a/k/a deluxe $6 screw-cover pull can. I’m guessing there are probably two or more sources/disconnecting means, and that the lefthand auxiliary contacts were foolishly thought to be fully rated “power” poles—ignoring their low-current pilot-duty rating. There may be hex nuts on the back of the can backing the contactor-mounting screws.

All that’s missing is a live auto-parts-grade toggle switch mounted in the gambler-grounded cover.

#117675 - 07/03/04 06:14 PM Re: Re: Gasoline Upgrade
electure Offline


Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 4226
Loc: Fullerton, CA USA

I know you as the "Gas Station Guy"(you're a #1)

Won't you please call the violations?
Cool T-Fluke. That's what I have.

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#117676 - 07/03/04 06:20 PM Re: Re: Gasoline Upgrade
TheRodge Offline
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Registered: 09/27/02
Posts: 6
Loc: Gillett, WI
Is it me or does it look like there's a wire jumpered between the middle and right lugs on the top of the panel in pic #1?

#117677 - 07/03/04 08:37 PM Re: Re: Gasoline Upgrade
mamills Offline

Registered: 11/30/01
Posts: 739
Loc: Wharton, Texas, USA
It looks kinda like lugs B and C are double-lugged to something that's nippled just above the picture, along with a white wire from the neutral. What is that thing in the gutter on the right side of the breaker panel? Possibly a ground bar...?

Sure is a lot of extra wire coiled up in that small can below those contactors.

Mike (mamills)

#117678 - 07/03/04 08:55 PM Re: Re: Gasoline Upgrade
Lostazhell Offline

Registered: 02/21/04
Posts: 1248
Loc: Bakersfield, CA (Originally Or...
Good Grief!
Is it just me or does that offset nipple between the panel & the bottom channel appear to have gotten really hot at one time! & just what are the wires double lugged with the feeders on B & C phase??


(edit for pselling )

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#117679 - 07/04/04 04:00 AM Re: Re: Gasoline Upgrade
walrus Offline

Registered: 07/25/02
Posts: 671
Loc: Bangor Me. USA
Gotta love the use of taps rules on those 2 WHITE(taped black) wires going up to a 6 space sub panel,eh? . The relay is a jewel also, the very left wire on the bottom is actually yellow or used to be now its burnt yellow. The original installer didn't pull green wires to the pumps, depended on conduit which he did bond. Used Killark y-2 for sealing fittings, actually used for pull ells and not sealing fittings. Had troughs hanging off conduits without double lock nuts. I could go on. My experience is pretty limited, so alot of you guys have probably come across hot(temp wise) conduits but not me. Still can't believe that wire never burned as its been in use for over 10 years .
Its possible that the wire shown in the amprobe was at one time below 12 amps. Its shared by several breakers but it appears stuff was added over time. Shows why you shouldn't mess with stuff you don't undertsand
It would be stupid business wise for me to report the violations. Maine is a pretty small state as far as business is concerned. Only so many customers and the gasoline industry is even more close knit. They are going to fix the lighting issues or I'll have to do it.

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