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#117387 - 06/07/04 03:14 PM Breaker Add-on Kit? !!
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Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 3142
Loc: NY, USA
Attached are some photos you might find interesting. I don't own a digital camera yet. When I went to bid the job I knew I had to take pictures of this. So I borrowed a camera. This electrician must have moonlighted as a Tin Knocker. The cover fit beautifully over the breaker add-on.

Thank You,
Mark V. Randazzo

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#117388 - 06/07/04 04:37 PM Re: Breaker Add-on Kit? !!
NJwirenut Offline

Registered: 09/15/01
Posts: 816
Loc: Bergen County, NJ
One of the best looking violations I've ever seen!

With the time and effort this must have taken (as well as buying the breaker panel to gut and repackage), why not just replace the whole panel, fuses and all?

#117389 - 06/07/04 05:39 PM Re: Breaker Add-on Kit? !!
iwire Offline

Registered: 01/05/03
Posts: 4343
Loc: North Attleboro, MA USA
Impressed and horrified at the same time.
Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician

#117390 - 06/08/04 04:13 AM Re: Breaker Add-on Kit? !!
electure Offline


Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 4226
Loc: Fullerton, CA USA
From the looks of the wiring diagram on the inside of the door, something is meant to go down in that area.
I just can't tell what it is. (Maybe pullouts with the larger circuits?)

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#117391 - 06/08/04 08:20 AM Re: Breaker Add-on Kit? !!
ElectricAL Offline

Registered: 10/10/01
Posts: 615
Loc: Minneapolis, MN USA
This brings a whole new meaning to the idea of split bus.

I think you're right, Scott. To my eye, I see a second 60A fused pullout that would have been a service disconnect. This was removed and replaced with the CB insert.

The double lugging of the lower service entrance (feeder?) conductor (at the remaining 60A pullout) intimates a history of lug failure from too much load.

Load calculation, load calculation, load calculation!

Is there a main or service disconnect ahead of this panel, or is it the service center? (What is the box at the upper left of the panel?)
Al Hildenbrand

#117392 - 06/08/04 10:10 AM Re: Breaker Add-on Kit? !!
Lostazhell Offline

Registered: 02/21/04
Posts: 1248
Loc: Bakersfield, CA (Originally Or...
Ok... I've seen some Texas chainsaw panel jobs before, but this almost looks professional! Aside from the tape on the deadfront, double-lugging & Siemens breakers in the GE TQL bus kit, this doesn't look nearly as "built in a barn" as I'd expect this to look! Just tell me for sure there's a main disco for this someplace The breakers add a potential of 100A more load to this thing!
Weren't we just talking in here about preferences of fuses or circuit breakers? Here you have the best of both worlds

Great pics Mark!


#117393 - 06/08/04 01:11 PM Re: Breaker Add-on Kit? !!
mvrandazzo Offline

Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 105
No main disco. But it does fall into the 6 diconnect rule. You can see the aluminum USE cable tapped off the line side of the main. One thing I forgot to get a better picture of is the original buss protruding from the bottom of the fuseholder section. There was a 12-2 UF cable connected to either side of the buss that fed the 2 circuit subpanel. From there it returned into the service panel and connected to the red and black of a multi wire circuit. It looks like the bus was cut off to accomidate the new breaker add-on. Then there was a goofy connector that held the wires on the buss with a compression like screw thing-a-ma-bob. I"ll try to see if I can blow up the picture.

Blessings, Mark

#117394 - 06/08/04 05:14 PM Re: Breaker Add-on Kit? !!
Electricmanscott Offline

Registered: 01/12/02
Posts: 1478
Loc: Holden, MA USA
Yankee ingenuity strikes again!


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