ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals

ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Admin 17
Recent Posts
Old decora style outlets
by Admin. 03/25/17 11:40 AM
ESA Arc flash course
by TheShockDoctors. 03/24/17 10:15 AM
fuse rejectors
by HotLine1. 03/24/17 07:53 AM
Another Forum Update
by Admin. 03/22/17 03:04 PM
Dining room plugs
by watersparkfalls. 03/21/17 10:31 PM
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Popular Topics(Views)
231,488 Are you busy
166,198 Re: Forum
160,649 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 39 guests, and 13 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#115824 - 12/23/03 07:34 PM Trench Safety  
Admin  Offline

Administrator
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,435
NY, USA
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Quote
Thought you may like some pics of trenches, and why trench boxes are required. At Dulles, we enforced VERY heavily the use of trench boxes in ANY trench over 3' deep. The only reason to step outside one was to pick up that last paycheck, cause if you stepped out, it would be your last. We did have a tunnel collapse while I was there, a bit different than a trench cave in, but a life was lost none the less.

You can see the type of soil we were dealing with, called fractured, or degraded rock. I've had people argue it was Class A soil just after they dug the hole, while we were arguing, the wall would collapse, END of argument.

George


Tools for Electricians:

#115825 - 12/27/03 06:41 AM Re: Trench Safety  
Trumpy  Offline


Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,211
SI,New Zealand
George,
I've never seen soil of that colour before, apart from in Australia.
Where did you say this site is?. [Linked Image]


Let's face it, these days if you're not young, you're old - Red Green grin

#115826 - 12/27/03 10:46 AM Re: Trench Safety  
George Corron  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 717
Lorton, Va USA
It's about 30 miles SW of Washington, D.C. at Dulles International Airport. The soil is called degraded rock, you can see it in some of the pictures.

You literally have to beat it out, using machines called Hoe-Rams, there is no digging of this stuff initially. Once exposed to air, rain, snow, it becomes muck. You can see in the first picture the way it looks when used for backfill.

When it degrades, it becomes some very nasty clay when put back properly. We would not certify it for backfill on a good deal of the property causing contractors to import stuff from other parts of the region.

When we set manholes, or any other critical structure, we most often backfilled with a concrete (cementitious material for you afficianados) called "Flow fill" or "Slurry" mix. We made our own concrete on site most of the time. As you can see, all ductbanks had to be encased in 4,000 psi concrete and have a rebar envelope.


#115827 - 12/27/03 10:19 PM Re: Trench Safety  
mvpmaintman  Offline
Member
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 123
Manhattan, Kansas, USA
Looks like the stuff in western Wyoming too. Spring thaw used to make stuff we called Hershey's,$#!^ had a fleet of vac trucks to clean it up. LOL


#115828 - 12/29/03 09:34 PM Re: Trench Safety  
ThinkGood  Offline
Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,081
Milwaukee, WI
George:

A bit off-topic, but do you ever find anything interesting when you go digging out that much of an area?


#115829 - 12/29/03 10:13 PM Re: Trench Safety  
wa2ise  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 782
Oradell NJ USA
[quote]but do you ever find anything interesting when you go digging out that much of an area?[quote]

My brother did construction work (steelwork inspector) at the WTC when it was being built. The management said something to the effect that if someone finds something, it's yours, take it home, get it outta here. "And I dont want to know about it". They didn't want the project delayed by archeolgists digging around the site. My brother never heard if anyone ever did find anything.


#115830 - 12/29/03 11:09 PM Re: Trench Safety  
ga.sparky56  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 558
young harris georgia usa
I do some small scale excavating,ug power,water,septic etc.

I've found some interesting arrowheads and pottery over the years.

Russell


#115831 - 12/30/03 12:30 AM Re: Trench Safety  
George Corron  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 717
Lorton, Va USA
ThinkGood,
At Dulles, no, it was a farm for a LONG time, then it became an airport.

The Pentagon was something a bit different. It was built on an old airport, junkyard, landfill, whatever human refuse was buried there. One Steamfitter took home an INTACT model T. It was rusted, all cloth gone, but all was there.

Handmade crowbars from the original construction - they must have had someone making them on site, we had pictures of crews with them, OLD pottery, OLD china, we dug up lots of interesting stuff there.

For some reason, they were sorta funny about taking pics of the place [Linked Image]



Member Spotlight
mersadrad
mersadrad
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 28
Joined: March 2011
Show All Member Profiles 
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.026s Queries: 14 (0.004s) Memory: 0.7924 MB (Peak: 0.9513 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-03-26 11:12:22 UTC