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#11556 - 07/15/02 04:22 PM The job that won't go away... Surface Mount Shower Lights? (snicker)
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Got another relatively small problem with the "problem" house.

The ex-EC left us with octagonal boxes in the shower stalls... the stalls are tiled, and enclosed in glass. The only thing I know of acceptable is recessed cans with wet-location-listed trims on GFCI protection...

Any ideas out there? We're gonna have to cut tile for recessed cans, aren't we....





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#11557 - 07/15/02 05:19 PM Re: The job that won't go away... Surface Mount Shower Lights? (snicker)
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smart guy, this ex-EC

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#11558 - 07/15/02 07:15 PM Re: The job that won't go away... Surface Mount Shower Lights? (snicker)
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66,
This problem gets worse everytime I hear about it. I hate to say it, but I would cut the tile, and install cans. Look at the bright side. This is a T&M job.

Snickering,
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#11559 - 07/16/02 03:11 AM Re: The job that won't go away... Surface Mount Shower Lights? (snicker)
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or place an led in the octogon, and cover with a shower rated clear blank plate???

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#11560 - 07/16/02 05:53 AM Re: The job that won't go away... Surface Mount Shower Lights? (snicker)
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#11561 - 07/16/02 06:27 AM Re: The job that won't go away... Surface Mount Shower Lights? (snicker)
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What about a fiber optic light?

Try this...
http://www.luciferlighting.com/

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#11562 - 07/16/02 07:29 AM Re: The job that won't go away... Surface Mount Shower Lights? (snicker)
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The NEC does NOT prohibit surface mounted light fixtures in the shower area. Look at 410.4(D) as Blackhat mentioned above. As log as you install a fixture rated for wet locations it would be just as acceptable as a recessed fixture. The height restrictions only apply to cord-connected, hanging, tracks, pendants and paddle fans.


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#11563 - 07/16/02 08:20 AM Re: The job that won't go away... Surface Mount Shower Lights? (snicker)
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I'm with you caselec, and blackhat. I think the point that 66 is trying to make is, that it is not the "normal" thing to do. I think that you will agree that most of the time shower lights are recessed can fixtures. They are in the residential applications that I've dealt with.

wageoghe,
I didn't check your link, but my experience with lucifer lighting is that it is high dollar. I'm not saying that it isn't a good line of fixtures. Just get out your wallet.

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#11564 - 07/16/02 08:33 AM Re: The job that won't go away... Surface Mount Shower Lights? (snicker)
amp-man Offline
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Registered: 06/23/01
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Virgil,

Time to get out the roro-zip, goggles, earmuffs, and facemask!

A surface-mount fixture--ja! How about an A-lamp in a glass dome? IF the owner's into the industrial look, one with the guard/cage over the dome...

But seriously, I hope that eventually the GCs in your neck o' the woods who want things done right (from the start) will bring you in at the start...

Best regards to you & Musser--

Cliff

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#11565 - 07/16/02 03:52 PM Re: The job that won't go away... Surface Mount Shower Lights? (snicker)
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Sparky:
Look in the RUUD Ltg Catalog, or RuudLighting.Com. They have a 12" square surface mount fluorescent that is 3R listed.
28 watt, electronic ballast, & gaskets to mount it.

Also, how "good" is the tile cuts around the box???
Can you get a Halo 4" recess in there??

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