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#114318 - 02/20/03 11:30 AM Service Entrance Panel
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I found this Service Entrance Panel on a farm in Illinois. It was installed by a Plumber, who thought he was an Electrician.

Bill Christensen

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#114319 - 02/20/03 12:58 PM Re: Service Entrance Panel
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Registered: 11/30/01
Posts: 739
Loc: Wharton, Texas, USA

Numerous code violations not-withstanding, This guy must have spent quite a good deal of time fabricating this "masterpiece" . There are, of course, 3R panels readily available that are designed to safely serve this particular function, certainly at far less cost.

I guess he gets an "A" for creativity, but not for anything else.

Mike (mamills)

#114320 - 02/21/03 04:11 AM Re: Service Entrance Panel
sparky Offline

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5545
Not to defend this, but i'm an electricain who thought to be a plumber at times in my own home.....

btw~ farms are exempt from OSHA i believe...

#114321 - 02/21/03 02:38 PM Re: Service Entrance Panel
txsparky Offline

Registered: 05/25/01
Posts: 578
Loc: Magnolia,.Texas U.S.A.
from sparky... farms are exempt from OSHA i believe...

Why is this? They employ also.

[This message has been edited by txsparky (edited 02-21-2003).]

#114322 - 02/21/03 04:33 PM Re: Service Entrance Panel
Bjarney Offline

Registered: 04/10/02
Posts: 2561
Loc: West-Southern Inner-Northeast ...
The upper lefthand breaker looks like one of those fancy “phase adder” units that magically make 3ø from a plain old 2-wire service.

#114323 - 02/22/03 09:56 AM Re: Service Entrance Panel
ZackDitner Offline

Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 46
Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
When using #14 copper with a 30A breaker it looks like it's a good idea to protect the neutral as well. lol

#114324 - 02/22/03 02:25 PM Re: Service Entrance Panel
sparky Offline

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5545
dunno, but the fact that EMS has a dedicated 'Farmedic' course speaks volumes....

#114325 - 02/22/03 09:45 PM Re: Service Entrance Panel
circuit man Offline

Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 287
Loc: saluda,s.c.
now that's spooky!

#114326 - 02/24/03 11:08 PM Re: Service Entrance Panel
SvenNYC Offline

Registered: 08/19/02
Posts: 1685
Loc: New York City
Is it just me or is that four wires (two whites and two bare coppers) going into the bottom left terminal of that silver-coloured block?

It's the one that has the single copper wire coming out the top (next to the fat black wire)

I thought you were only allowed to connect one wire per terminal screw unless specifically listed?

There's also two black wires connected to the bottom of the left-most 30-amp breaker (in the trio at top left).

#114327 - 02/25/03 10:41 AM Re: Service Entrance Panel
Joe Tedesco Offline

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 3325
Loc: Boston, Massachusetts USA

Both of the added circuit breakers, on the left side, are installed in an enclosure designed only for one.

Yes, the question you ask can be answered by reference to 110.14.

PS: That glow label in the upper left says something about therminations when aluminum is used.

If some one can take a clear picture of this somewhere and post it or send it to me, it includes the instructions related to terminations.

[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 02-25-2003).]
Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

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