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#113947 - 11/22/02 06:14 PM City Ok'd  
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After the City Inspector OK'd this, the "electrician" finished his work. The POCO crew thought something was amiss here.

Kevin Duke

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#113948 - 11/22/02 08:09 PM Re: City Ok'd  
sparky  Offline
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quite the mess......what is the #12 doing on the 100A 2-pole sq D??? (last pix)

#113949 - 11/22/02 08:20 PM Re: City Ok'd  
CTwireman  Offline
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Connecticut, USA
Get out the sledgehammer!


#113950 - 11/22/02 08:32 PM Re: City Ok'd  
Bill Addiss  Offline
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This is an underground service I assume. In our area the POCO would knock this installation down because the Line wires must cross the Load. In this type of setup we would have to mount the meter enclosure on the left side of this setup to avoid this. Does any other area have this little 'rule'?

And, I doubt that the 2 wires per lug would fly, (or the 100A receptacle circuit)!

Thanks for sharing this with us!
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#113951 - 11/22/02 08:41 PM Re: City Ok'd  
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Wow!!! [Linked Image] What a funny setup!

This demonstrates a new way to cheat the PoCo for free KWHs!!!
Funny how the Line and Load conductors are both landed on the Load side lugs. That makes it a 100% For-Sure situation that the meter will not see any Power to measure!!!


POCO crew thought something was amiss here.

How long did they laugh about this before mentioning the "Slim Possibility Of An Incorrect Situation" [Linked Image]

Check over this list to see how many >DOHHHs< I can find:


[*]Pre-mentioned KWH meter bypassing,

[*]Service lateral through main disconnect via Load side, then to meter via Line side - is that proper?,

[*]Whaddaheck is going on with the other set of conductors running back from the meter section - TBE - How does the Grounded Conductor find it's way from the middle guy to the panel on the left?,

[*]Is that Screw properly AIC rated for a direct L-G fault??? Too bad it's not hitting one of the Service Feeders ahead of the main! - or is it???,

[*]Noodle is connected to GEC in the middle panel, and just for fun, also connected to GEC in the left side panel,

[*]To avoid large L-G fault currents, the enclosures are Isolated from the GES / Grounded Conductor! AKA I see no main bonding jumper(s) or any bonding what so ever!!!,

[*]Nice use of # 12 wire on a 100 amp OCPD!!! This is known as a "Wire Fuse"!!! ... joke..,

[*]What's up with that other Black # 12? The one which looks like it's tapped from the lug on the upper right, then runs down to the offset nipple with the White and Bare???

Any others???

Scott s.e.t.

Scott " 35 " Thompson
Just Say NO To Green Eggs And Ham!

#113952 - 11/22/02 10:01 PM Re: City Ok'd  
txsparky  Offline
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Magnolia,.Texas U.S.A.
That's UGLY
The bottom photo shows a fuse block feeding the receptacle(tapped off of the 100amp breaker)Looks like the neutral is also doublelugged in the meter can then ran to the 100amp panel
Who's to blame for this?I say--lectrishun,Inspector and POCO.


#113953 - 11/22/02 11:46 PM Re: City Ok'd  
n1ist  Offline
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Posts: 183
Malden MA
Actually, it looks like the POCO feed isn't in yet. I would guess it is supposed to be dropped into the top of the meter can. The meter is double-tapped, one set for each panel.

#113954 - 11/23/02 01:25 AM Re: City Ok'd  
txsparky  Offline
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Magnolia,.Texas U.S.A.
Your probably right n1ist.I've always had to provide the riser if overhead and at minimum a conduit stubbed down 3 feet underground with a long sweep for underground.(some pocos here require the underground to be ran also)
Still doesn't explain the doublelugging or the lack of grounding bushings,or in-use cover for receptacle fed from fuse block.I wonder where this is,I've never seen a meter can with the guts offset to one side like that.


#113955 - 11/23/02 02:35 AM Re: City Ok'd  
Bill Addiss  Offline
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I don't see how the Service could come from overhead here. I assumed that it would come from underground into the meter enclosure and that it was not installed yet. But now, Scotts' comments have me wondering, is that the service coming up into the middle enclosure? [Linked Image]

Kevin, can you help us out here?


#113956 - 11/23/02 02:53 AM Re: City Ok'd  
Jacuzzi Guy Electric  Offline
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 33
Dearborn Heights Michigan Unit...
All right, let's count them up:

1 The use of copper and aluminum conductors on the same lug. ( nice case of future electrolysis )
2 Lack of anti-oxidant on the aluminum conductors.
3 Using the utility company's post to attach all the items.
4 2" pipe too crowded, you would need a good 30% max. of conduit fill.
5 The use of "Silicone like substance".
6 100 amp breaker protecting what looks like a # 12 or # 14 going to another fuse.
7 Lack of waterproof connectors on the pipes.
8 Lack of "workman like manner" to install all these items.

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