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#111605 - 01/10/07 12:56 PM Home with 2 suites
dougwells Offline


Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 1226
Loc: kamloops BC Canada
We went and tried to do an estimate for a Service Upgrade today. Senior Couple has been renting out 2 suites in the basement for years.

They Called and said they wanted a Panel Upgrade. This is What I found.There is 3 Electric Ranges being fed of this Service.
the sub panel below was added on about 15 years ago they said.

It is being fed with 10/3 nm cable and on a 40 amp Breaker.
There is 2 of the ranges connected to the Sub panel.The Main Breaker is 100 Amps

[This message has been edited by dougwells (edited 01-10-2007).]

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#111606 - 01/10/07 02:07 PM Re: Home with 2 suites
cschow Offline

Registered: 09/08/06
Posts: 41
Loc: Boise, ID, USA

I hope when you upgrade it, it gets relocated, or they move the toilet.

Those are interesting romex staples. Haven't seen them before.

#111607 - 01/10/07 03:55 PM Re: Home with 2 suites
JohnJ0906 Offline

Registered: 10/19/06
Posts: 65
Loc: Baltimore MD USA
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#111608 - 01/10/07 05:40 PM Re: Home with 2 suites
PEdoubleNIZZLE Offline

Registered: 06/16/04
Posts: 176
Loc: McKeesport, PA, USA
While your at it, keep the 10/3, but wrap it around the toilet seat... i hate hitting a cold seat first thing in the morning when it's winter, but I guess it does wake me up.

(credit goes to JohnJ0906 for giving me this idea)

#111609 - 01/11/07 09:17 AM Re: Home with 2 suites
mikesh Offline

Registered: 06/07/06
Posts: 614
Loc: Victoria, BC, Canada
I would also guess the location has 2 illegal occupancies. If this is any example of the work to make this a triplex then I suspect the tenants will be victims of some disaster.
This brings me to another bitch about provincial electrical inspections. The seldom go and even when they do they don't report to the municipality where this crap exists. I suppose in this case it was not an electrician that did this work even if he had a ticket.

#111610 - 01/11/07 06:30 PM Re: Home with 2 suites
trollog Offline

Registered: 10/02/04
Posts: 273
Loc: San Diego California USA
What leads you to believe this was ever inspected, mike? Not sure I would even want to touch this job.. doug, what did you tell this elderly couple?

#111611 - 01/13/07 02:29 PM Re: Home with 2 suites
Trumpy Offline


Registered: 07/05/02
Posts: 8532
Loc: SI,New Zealand
Check out the bare transformer and wire-nuts hiding under the edge of the dead-front on the right.
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#111612 - 01/13/07 06:04 PM Re: Home with 2 suites
u2slow Offline

Registered: 09/18/03
Posts: 198
Loc: Salt Spring, BC, Canada
Most municipalities around here have some sort of compliance guidelines for secondary suites eg. subdivison of a primary residence only, square footage limitations, fire alarm/egress/separation/etc.

I would find out from the AHJ what sort of scrutiny a potentially non-compliant suite (or suites) may come under during a service upgrade.

This could be something the owners are not prepared for. OTOH, this may the driving force behind the upgrade.

Unless most of you are up to the gills in work, I question the logic in turning away jobs that are less that ideal. (Isn't that what T&M is for?)

#111613 - 01/13/07 11:18 PM Re: Home with 2 suites
Elviscat Offline

Registered: 08/13/05
Posts: 214
Loc: Seattle Washington USA
Trumpy, that's actually a pretty common practice around here, all the 120V wiring's in the panel, and what you see wirenutted is probably just the power for the doorbell

#111614 - 01/14/07 06:19 AM Re: Home with 2 suites
Theelectrikid Offline

Registered: 04/30/04
Posts: 854
Loc: Levittown, PA
Wouldn't the 120 line for the Transformer go through the panel knockout where it's mounted? The wire-nutted wires might be low-volt, even though they used yellow wire nuts.

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