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#111571 - 01/06/07 08:41 AM Burger to Go....and Please Hurry  
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It's a BK location; noticed the 'new' neon signage in the windows, and saw this while eating a quick lunch.


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#111572 - 01/06/07 12:05 PM Re: Burger to Go....and Please Hurry  
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I've seen 5-15 outlets that are made to snap into lighting track before... but I'm sure they cost more than the 59ยข cheaters. [Linked Image]


#111573 - 01/06/07 04:34 PM Re: Burger to Go....and Please Hurry  
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Is that a 3-prong plug on 2-conductor zipcord? That makes about as much sense as the existance of plug adapters.

...actually, I'm trying hard to think of any actual codes this install broke! A (I assume) listed lamp base adapter was screwed in, and the plug adapter appears to be used correctly. And the only thing plugged in was a light. It might be skirting a requirement for a dedicated receptacle, and certainly not professional-looking, but is the installation actually unsafe?

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#111574 - 01/06/07 08:59 PM Re: Burger to Go....and Please Hurry  
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That looks like standard flat 3-conductor line cord. I would think you would want a good ground on that transformer; otherwise, the metal case (usually connected to the HV center tap) would likely float to a rather nasty voltage.


#111575 - 01/06/07 09:00 PM Re: Burger to Go....and Please Hurry  
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The ground pin doesn't connect to anything.


#111576 - 01/06/07 11:23 PM Re: Burger to Go....and Please Hurry  
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Major issue is the ungrounded neon transformers. There are numerous Article 600 violations in the neon HV wiring also.

The use of the adaptors, no matter how many, or what type, it's still no ground at the xfr.

Yes, there are receptacle units made by the track mfg, but how many sign guys might know that.


John

#111577 - 01/08/07 01:10 PM Re: Burger to Go....and Please Hurry  
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Well, at least they didn't snip the ground pins off the plugs. [Linked Image]


#111578 - 01/08/07 06:11 PM Re: Burger to Go....and Please Hurry  
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ARE YOU SURE??????????


#111579 - 01/08/07 10:23 PM Re: Burger to Go....and Please Hurry  
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I find it hard to believe that a local inspector or fire marshal hasn't eaten there and might have brought it to the manager's attention.


---Ed---

"But the guy at Home Depot said it would work."

#111580 - 01/08/07 10:47 PM Re: Burger to Go....and Please Hurry  
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...actually, I'm trying hard to think of any actual codes this install broke!

210.50(B)
406.3(B)
410.47
600.3 (I'm sure the listing label addresses the grounding issue)

There are probably others. (2002 NEC)


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