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#111345 - 11/12/06 06:36 PM Pics from DougW
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The first few are from our "Comapny Inspections" at the FD in our industrial park. (It used to be the Chicago Hardware Foundry from 1890-1965, then it got subdivided to new uses, so it's full of interesting handiwork)
Pic #1 is of a new support for a Service Entrance - call it a "Service Ladder" if you will...

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Pic. 2 is in the same area - guess the supporting means for the service entrance finally gave way; the only thing holding the assembly up is the crossbot the the neutral goes to.
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Pic 3 is from a stop at a gas station. Yes, that is a plumbing fitting on the electrical conduit.
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Pic 4 is from a commercial job I was helping a buddy with. He got the call because the site had failed it's final due to "loose fixtures". (another EC was responsible for construction - he got hired to clean up after them)
The original "electrician" took the mounting bracket for the HID pack and installed it backwards. He even took the time to cut the slot for the bracket projection in the siding plate. Of course, the bracket projection is part of what keeps the fixture stationary... The handyman the restaurant hired sank several drywall screws at the top corner of the fixture to keep it from moving. It didn't work.

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#111346 - 11/14/06 07:07 AM Re: Pics from DougW
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Pic 1: That looks like the PoCo feeders lying across the ladder brackets. WHAT?!

Are there no inspectors out there? How about the PoCo? Sleepig on the job?

I'd rather jump during a fire than touch that ladder.

The other stuff: I've actually run across similar garbage. Disturbing, but not rare.

It's a crazy world...someone oughtta sell tickets.

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#111347 - 11/14/06 10:34 AM Re: Pics from DougW
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I don't see anything wrong with the first pic... it was designed that way to ensure nobody would be successful in climbing onto the roof...

The third pic is kind of ironic, that sign with all the safety warnings: STOP ENGINE, NO SMOKING, NO OPEN FLAME... all next to an unsafe installation.

Joe

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#111348 - 11/14/06 03:27 PM Re: Pics from DougW
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The third pic is kind of ironic, that sign with all the safety warnings: STOP ENGINE, NO SMOKING, NO OPEN FLAME... all next to an unsafe installation.

While it shows a violation, I don't see any safety issue.
Don
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#111349 - 11/14/06 05:18 PM Re: Pics from DougW
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Interesting pictures. Does Canada recognize the NEC or no? I'm not sure. I always thought the purpose for article 230.9 was in case there was a fire and the firemen needed to get throught the window. I think I read that here in fact. By the looks of it, the firemen WILL NOT get through that window on the right.

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#111350 - 11/16/06 04:30 PM Re: Pics from DougW
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Is the line insulator near the window to keep anyone at the window from touching the drop, or was it once upon a time on the drop by the ladder???

Either way.....I have an issue.

John
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#111351 - 11/16/06 06:11 PM Re: Pics from DougW
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There pics are from DougW in Chicago, not Doug Wells in Canada.

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#111352 - 11/17/06 02:53 AM Re: Pics from DougW
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Morning John,

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Either way.....I have an issue.


If those are utility controlled service conductors like it or not they are outside the scope of the NEC. 90.2(B)(5)(a).

It seems you could call the utility and remind them of the NESC.
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#111353 - 11/17/06 03:52 PM Re: Pics from DougW
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Bob:
If I came upon a situation like pic #1 & #2, I surely would call the area POCO supervisor.

Without knowing the whole situation, it's difficult to determine what was there first (Pic-1). As I said before, looks like a line insulator sleeve on the drop, by the right window. Irregardless of the ladder issue, it don't look like 3' from the window either.

Stay safe,
John
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#111354 - 11/18/06 10:31 PM Re: Pics from DougW
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Without knowing the whole situation, it's difficult to determine what was there first (Pic-1)


The ladder is much older than the service.

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