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#111300 - 10/29/06 04:55 AM Grandparents' Bath
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In my grandparent's house, in the basement, the previous owner installed a bathroom on one side. They put up two walls, one separating it from the laundry room, the other from the "main" area.
My great uncle "installed" a light for my grandfather. Here's how he
wired it.

Pic 1, a picture of the light. Yes that's a grounded outlet on the
side.



Pic 2, a piece of two-wire (non-grounded) SO Cord run through the newer
wall, up and parallel to the joists. The cable is not "secured" at all
in the run.



Pic 3, the other end. It's plugged into a socket-to-receptacle adapter.
My finger's there to block the light glare.



Ian

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#111301 - 10/29/06 07:25 AM Re: Grandparents' Bath
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That's the way rednecks do it.

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#111302 - 10/29/06 08:05 AM Re: Grandparents' Bath
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Registered: 03/19/05
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Loc: Chesapeake, VA
Oh, in that case, it's just a corded appliance, not an electrical installation. What's the problem??

Besides, not grounding the metal case eliminates the risk of a ground fault. And that receptacle is an inaccessible basement receptacle, so why would anyone even consider adding GFCI protection or a ground?

(Edit: for the vocational students, this is known as sarcasm!)

[This message has been edited by SteveFehr (edited 10-29-2006).]

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#111303 - 10/29/06 09:47 AM Re: Grandparents' Bath
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Registered: 04/30/04
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Loc: Levittown, PA
Thanks Scott for posting them. I'm taking some pictures around this singlewide as I type!

Steve: I was following you. Until I saw the disclaimer, that is.

Ian (Edited cause I kant spell me name!) A.

[This message has been edited by Theelectrikid (edited 10-30-2006).]
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#111304 - 10/29/06 11:31 AM Re: Grandparents' Bath
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There was a time when the only receptacle found in the bath was in the base of the light. Most of these were of the two-prong variety.

Three prong receptacles, like the one pictured, had but a brief period of use, before the GFCI was invented.

many places date from this time, and still have this arrangement. I believe replacement fixtures are available. Remember that word : REPLACEMENT. new installations still need GFI protection.

Of course, not grounding the receptacle shown, and powering in the manner shown, was as wrong then as it is now.

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#111305 - 10/30/06 12:10 AM Re: Grandparents' Bath
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Growing up the house I lived in had two single lamps on both sides of the mirror with a single grounded outlet in each one.

Next to the sink was a NEMA 2-15 t-slot duplex that didn't work anymore.

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#111306 - 11/06/06 12:46 PM Re: Grandparents' Bath
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Loc: Naperville, IL, USA
you people with your bathroom outlets are really lucky. My aunt's old house had one (1) ceiling light fixture in a bathroom with a 9' ceiling. Every morning, she would run her hair dryer and curling iron on an old orange extension cord. Eventually, they moved into a new house, and to the best of my knowlege the house has not been rewired yet. They moved out 6 years ago, and the house has had several owners sence then. It was a 100a. 2w. service for a 4200sq. foot house. No air conditioner, though.

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#111307 - 12/02/06 09:24 PM Re: Grandparents' Bath
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I don't know if it matters to you guys, but I just learned my Great-uncle was, and still is, a plumber.

Ian A.
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#111308 - 12/02/06 09:27 PM Re: Grandparents' Bath
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many places date from this time, and still have this arrangement. I believe replacement fixtures are available. Remember that word : REPLACEMENT. new installations still need GFI protection.


Q: Would you be allowed to use one of these if say it was in the upstairs bath, fed from the GFCI in the lower-floor bathroom?

Ian A.
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#111309 - 12/02/06 09:41 PM Re: Grandparents' Bath
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Yes, you would. I'm not sure it would meet the receptacle requirement, but would be allowed in addition to the required receptacle.

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