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#110485 - 04/27/06 05:12 AM Bootlegging a Receptacle
electure Offline


Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 4226
Loc: Fullerton, CA USA
From renosteinke

A couple recent discussion threads have discussed the "6 ft. rule" in receptacle placement. This rule has not always been followed- with the result that there are not enough receptacles for modern life.

Here, some enterprising party has put a plug on romex, neatly run it on the surface of the wall, then dipped into the wall to add a receptacle.

The house - duplex- was built in the '40's, and was once associated with a military base. It is wired with the earliest form of romex- no ground wire. What amazes me is that, in all the years since, despite several owners, and numerous "remodels", no one has seen for to update the electrical. Even the "porch light" was run in a similar manner.

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#110486 - 04/27/06 12:37 PM Re: Bootlegging a Receptacle
Hemingray Offline

Registered: 04/19/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Lehigh Acres, FL
could have been worse, the plug could have been completely omitted and the romex shoved under the plate into the box

EDIT: misworded/left off some words by mistake

[This message has been edited by Hemingray (edited 04-27-2006).]

#110487 - 04/27/06 06:58 PM Re: Bootlegging a Receptacle
Dave T Offline

Registered: 01/22/05
Posts: 157
Loc: Waukesha, WI, USA
And even a 20a receptacle.

#110488 - 04/28/06 04:23 AM Re: Bootlegging a Receptacle
NJwirenut Offline

Registered: 09/15/01
Posts: 816
Loc: Bergen County, NJ
Must be fairly recent, given the yellow romex...

#110489 - 05/02/06 12:06 AM Re: Bootlegging a Receptacle
Tesla Offline

Registered: 06/16/04
Posts: 1280
Loc: Sacramento, CA
That's it.... No more Nevada for me.

These players can't even co-ordinate the trim colors.

Yellow Romex... give me a break.

#110490 - 05/02/06 03:43 AM Re: Bootlegging a Receptacle
Texas_Ranger Offline

Registered: 12/17/01
Posts: 2332
Loc: Vienna, Austria
Here, some enterprising party has put a plug on romex, neatly run it on the surface of the wall, then dipped into the wall to add a receptacle.

That one's gotta be common all over the world! Seen that countless times.

#110491 - 05/02/06 04:30 AM Re: Bootlegging a Receptacle
pauluk Offline

Registered: 08/11/01
Posts: 7693
Loc: Norfolk, England
Different plugs and receptacles, but the basic principle is all too familiar.

#110492 - 05/02/06 05:38 AM Re: Bootlegging a Receptacle
Larry Fine Offline

Registered: 02/18/05
Posts: 684
Loc: Richmond, VA
The correct way to do this is to pry off the baseboard and run the wiring completely out of sight.
Larry Fine
Fine Electric Co.

#110493 - 05/02/06 06:27 AM Re: Bootlegging a Receptacle
George Corron Offline

Registered: 05/16/01
Posts: 728
Loc: Lorton, Va USA
OK guys, uhhh, a MUCH older friend of mine, barely hanging onto life anymore, told me the way some things used to be done.

Anyone who began the trade in a rural area, ahem, some years ago, has seen and is familiar with "Non-metallic extensions". It looks like romex, works like romex, only NO GROUND. Article 342 in the 99 code.

Older, and especially rural, houses, had a single outlet somewhere in the room, if you were lucky. You ran this stuff along baseboards, much like phone cable and either surface mounted a box, or like the one in the pic, you popped into the wall and flush mounted.

This stuff is thermoplastic in nature, and even though it looks ugly in the pic, it's probably still just fine. Though I do agree if you've remodeled it's a pity it wasn't replaced.

Except for a few minor violations, there's really nothing wrong with the install provided it IS NM extension.

At least....THAT'S what the old guy I know says, but what does he know?????

#110494 - 05/12/06 10:11 AM Re: Bootlegging a Receptacle
RSmike Offline

Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 130
Loc: Holland, MI USA
I spent the better part of last week pulling wire at the folks house.

I'm a young punk so I haven't seen every variation of Romex so help me on this. Most of my father's house has regular white NM 12-2 with ground...with all the ground wires having a green jacket; not bare When I stripped it off the ground was only 14ga.

I also noted no paper like the stuff today and talc was used inside the wire. It looked just like UF but was labeled NM; the jacket was really thick. The 12-3 was the same way...except the outer jacket was blood red (not from my cuts) and the wire was flat about 1" wide by 1/8" thick. My father wired the house. He noted that the new 12-3 I was pulling was round. He'd never seen anything like it. Funny if you think about it.

I've never seen this style wire anywhere else. This house was built in the late 60's. I've only really worked in homes that have knob and tube or that nice pretty colored romex I've run across that weird silver and black stuff a few times.

I guess I really have't lived.


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