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#110031 - 01/12/06 07:09 PM The Joys of Commercial Service Work
electure Offline

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Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 4226
Loc: Fullerton, CA USA
A call this morning- the lights and ceiling fan went out when they plugged in the vacuum. Hmm...breakers aren't tripped. Pull the cover off the little panel and...



Better fix that before I do anything.




I changed things around, added some breakers and... Oh well, not very pretty, but it's better, anyhow.
Now to check out that other problem.
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Easy to trace visible wiring method.




OK, let's see, here's the UF coming from the fan.....




Better not hit my head on the A/C wiring




Guess I better disconnect that A/C




Huh, had to shut off 3 breakers to get this box dead, but it's not THIS neutral connection.
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Found it! Neutral's loose in same box that they had the parallel 40Amp #14 and 30Amp #12 tied together in. It's my lucky day!



[This message has been edited by electure (edited 01-12-2006).]

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#110032 - 01/12/06 07:33 PM Re: The Joys of Commercial Service Work
yaktx Offline
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Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 286
Loc: Austin, Texas, USA
"What, you mean to tell me the numbers on those breakers actually mean something?"

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#110033 - 01/13/06 08:28 AM Re: The Joys of Commercial Service Work
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Registered: 08/19/02
Posts: 1685
Loc: New York City
Man. If that were my house, that would be one of those "forget this, I'm tearing it out and starting from scratch!"

Talk about scary!

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#110034 - 01/13/06 08:38 AM Re: The Joys of Commercial Service Work
Lostazhell Offline
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Registered: 02/21/04
Posts: 1248
Loc: Bakersfield, CA (Originally Or...
you..... you mean I'm not the only person who finds this stuff???

I'm with Sven on this, start from scratch.. Much less headaches than trying to piecemeal this mess into a coherent, code adhereing installation....

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#110035 - 01/13/06 02:10 PM Re: The Joys of Commercial Service Work
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Registered: 09/21/04
Posts: 163
Loc: Irvine, CA, USA
Purple's my favorite color. That's only good thing I see.

I hope this isn't in my city. Probably a lot just like it though.
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#110036 - 01/16/06 05:21 AM Re: The Joys of Commercial Service Work
electure Offline

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Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 4226
Loc: Fullerton, CA USA
Sorry, sandsnow. The purple wires have to go.
I got an approval to fix this mess from the owner of the complex.
The repairs will be as the panel was... very aesthetically unpleasing... but safe.
This isn't in your jurisdiction, Larry, but your little neighbor to the North. 90% of the places I've been in that town have major messes, but most not quite this bad.

Randy, there are enough hacks around to keep us both busy.

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#110037 - 01/27/06 11:55 PM Re: The Joys of Commercial Service Work
e57 Offline
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Registered: 05/27/03
Posts: 2837
Loc: S.F.,CA USA
Purple is a high-leg here... (Local Code) However not to be double lugged in breakers. Two seperate ones at that...
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#110038 - 02/12/06 06:10 PM Re: The Joys of Commercial Service Work
Theelectrikid Offline
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Registered: 04/30/04
Posts: 854
Loc: Levittown, PA
This is a classic "tear-down-and-rebuild" job for, DYNAMITE! (Alan B. says I have to use "PBX, Plastic Bonded Explosives," though.)

Ian A.
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#110039 - 08/23/06 09:43 PM Re: The Joys of Commercial Service Work
lukemon2 Offline
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Registered: 08/23/06
Posts: 26
Loc: Petal, MS, USA
Let's see that violates NEC big time
plus that looks like my House door bell system before I got a hold of it
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#110040 - 08/24/06 07:44 AM Re: The Joys of Commercial Service Work
Larry Fine Offline
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Registered: 02/18/05
Posts: 684
Loc: Richmond, VA
Luke, welcome to the forum. I'd like to mention that it can get annoying pulling old threads up just to add a comment. There are plenty of fresh topics to chime in on.
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Larry Fine
Fine Electric Co.
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