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#109842 - 12/19/05 07:25 PM Upgraded Service
electure Offline


Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 4226
Loc: Fullerton, CA USA
These are pics of a service I came across out in the middle of nowhere on a house that had a service call..... The panel is 200A 120/240V, with #2 THWN feeders in a 1ΒΌ" riser, and it was approved by the AHJ!

Randy (Lostazhell)

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#109843 - 12/19/05 11:26 PM Re: Upgraded Service
Hemingray Offline

Registered: 04/19/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Lehigh Acres, FL
undersized conduit for the #2 THWN?

#109844 - 12/20/05 08:03 AM Re: Upgraded Service
Lostazhell Offline

Registered: 02/21/04
Posts: 1248
Loc: Bakersfield, CA (Originally Or...
Undersized conductors for a 200A service! Minimum 3/0 THWN required for this size service.

#109845 - 12/20/05 11:13 AM Re: Upgraded Service
mxslick Offline

Registered: 10/24/04
Posts: 785
Loc: Atomic City, ID USA
Guys, to heck with the riser!

How about the rat's nest of unsecured romex in that chase, the metal flex with romex in it that doesn't even connect to the panel....

I'd hate to see what's "under the hood" on this one!

Wonder what medication the AHJ was on too....
Stupid should be painful.

#109846 - 12/20/05 01:13 PM Re: Upgraded Service
wa2ise Offline

Registered: 11/29/02
Posts: 769
Loc: Oradell NJ USA
That sticker looks to be several years old. The bad wiring probably happened after that inspection was done.

#109847 - 12/20/05 06:08 PM Re: Upgraded Service
e57 Offline

Registered: 05/27/03
Posts: 2837
Loc: S.F.,CA USA
I think the sticker is left over from the house it was previously installed in, somewhere else.
Mark Heller
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#109848 - 12/20/05 07:55 PM Re: Upgraded Service
Celtic Offline

Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 367
Loc: NJ
Originally posted by Lostazhell:

Undersized conductors for a 200A service! Minimum 3/0 THWN required for this size service.

...and for that area?
See:Table 310.15(B)(6) (2002)

That is quite a mess!

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#109849 - 12/21/05 06:32 AM Re: Upgraded Service
mamills Offline

Registered: 11/30/01
Posts: 739
Loc: Wharton, Texas, USA
What a quality installation!! It looks like somebody beat this thing into the wall with a sledgehammer.

A couple of questions, Randy: What's up with the black romex'es (tied in a knot)? and, what was the nature of your service call there (at this house...?)?

This thing is quite literally a "Pandora's Box".

Mike (mamills)

#109850 - 12/23/05 07:42 AM Re: Upgraded Service
Active 1 Offline

Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 684
Loc: Grayslake IL, USA
We can't suport a drop around here with 1 1/4 RMC even if it is a 100 A service.

They want 3" RMC for 200 amp if the mast is supporting the drop.

Is this CA where the mast is on the inside wall? We allways go on the outside with the mast.


#109851 - 12/23/05 10:36 AM Re: Upgraded Service
Trumpy Offline


Registered: 07/05/02
Posts: 8532
Loc: SI,New Zealand
Just a little comment Randy.
I like the idea of that rain water deflector on the mast.
Let's face it, these days if you're not young, you're old - Red Green grin

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