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#109519 - 10/30/05 11:49 AM Poor Fan Installation
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Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 3142
Loc: NY, USA
I thought you might be interested in these photos for your website. I took them last Saturday with the homeowners camera while tracing out an open circuit. I found the problem in a 1900 box in the attic. Of coarse that was the last place I looked! The home owners brother cut into a wire in the attic to pick up a feed for the paddle fan that he installed in the next room. The paddle fan was installed 3 years ago. Look how nicely he installed the receiver!

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#109520 - 10/30/05 01:17 PM Re: Poor Fan Installation
Trumpy Offline


Registered: 07/05/02
Posts: 8532
Loc: SI,New Zealand
Hi there Greg,
There are some people that should never be allowed near wiring, I think this guy may be one of them.
The connections in that box in the first pic look rather dodgy.
Does this fan unit have some sort of a wireless remote on it?.
Let's face it, these days if you're not young, you're old - Red Green grin

#109521 - 10/30/05 05:52 PM Re: Poor Fan Installation
Tesla Offline

Registered: 06/16/04
Posts: 1280
Loc: Sacramento, CA
Cancel his fire insurance!

#109522 - 10/30/05 10:08 PM Re: Poor Fan Installation
Hemingray Offline

Registered: 04/19/05
Posts: 195
Loc: Lehigh Acres, FL
.....ok, I have no comments here. even my amateur level wiring skills are better than this. least all my splices are in boxes and use wire nuts.

#109523 - 10/31/05 01:57 PM Re: Poor Fan Installation
Tiger Offline

Registered: 05/04/05
Posts: 714
Loc: Crystal Lake, IL USA
Creative, but very dangerous. It is hard to get those receivers to fit where they belong.


#109524 - 11/02/05 01:29 PM Re: Poor Fan Installation
Larry Fine Offline

Registered: 02/18/05
Posts: 684
Loc: Richmond, VA
I once had to R&R a ceiling fan on an extremely-sloped ceiling. The angle of the ball on the rod prevented the remote receiver from fitting in the mounting bracket.

My solution was to place the receiver in the 3-gang box that the fan was fed from, behind the switches, using the 14-3 to connect the receiver wires to the fan wires.

Believe me, I had to re-dress that 3-gang box very carefully, like I normally do on new work. By the way, my brother and his wife were very happy with the results.
Larry Fine
Fine Electric Co.

#109525 - 11/06/05 04:39 PM Re: Poor Fan Installation
HLCbuild Offline

Registered: 12/05/04
Posts: 206
Loc: Herndon,Va USA
Hey Larry,

How many cubic inches does a remote control receiver count as? With 14-3 is it 2.0?


#109526 - 11/06/05 06:39 PM Re: Poor Fan Installation
sstrick Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 12/21/04
Posts: 6
Loc: Independence, MO USA
Commenting on the first pic: Looks like a guy who's "really good at hooking up speaker wire" (notice the very small seperation in each NM). Also, "The neutral carries no current; no need for a wire nut!" And finally; cable not secured within 8 in of the box.

Extra points for using cable clamps and a box of sufficient size??

#109527 - 11/06/05 11:57 PM Re: Poor Fan Installation
Alan Belson Offline

Registered: 03/23/05
Posts: 1801
Loc: Mayenne N. France
Why has he fitted a boat propeller up there? Is he expecting flooding? Where's the rudder? The whole set-up is a joke, surely!

Wood work but can't!


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