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#108514 - 03/29/04 09:04 PM Another Flying Splice....
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flying splice above new install

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#108515 - 03/30/04 05:05 PM Re: Another Flying Splice....
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What's with all the wire-nuts in there? I am really not sure, but is that against code also. I have always been told to keep wire-nuts out of a panel and that an inspector does not like to see that.

Can anyone confirm if that is a violation also or if it is just common practice?
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#108516 - 03/30/04 05:45 PM Re: Another Flying Splice....
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GAapprentice,

The wire connectors are not against code at all, as long as they don't fill more than 75 % of the cross-sectional area of the panelboard. See 312.8 of the 2002 NEC. That does not appear to be a problem in this picture.

An inspector may not like to see the wirenuts, but there's nothing he can do about it.
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#108517 - 03/30/04 05:51 PM Re: Another Flying Splice....
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It is a shame that 'neat and workmanlike' is unenforceable. To see a new install that looks this poor I can't find an excuse for. I certainly wouldn't feel that I got my monies worth had I paid either a employee or contracted the work.

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#108518 - 03/30/04 07:48 PM Re: Another Flying Splice....
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I know it says new install, but that really looks like a combination of a panel replacement with new circuits (the colored romex) added. That would explain all the wire nuts to extend the old stuff. I guess the flying splice was too short to make it into the panel... It also looks like some of the cable clamps have more than the one allowed piece of romex in them.
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#108519 - 03/31/04 03:28 AM Re: Another Flying Splice....
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And then there's the issue of the staples

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#108520 - 03/31/04 03:30 PM Re: Another Flying Splice....
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our company was called after the inspector red tagged the splice. This panel is a 200 amp upgrade from the old 100 that was there. I would have to guess that this was a green helper that did this, because the outside looks fine. It was a shame the customer didn't call us first.

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#108521 - 03/31/04 03:43 PM Re: Another Flying Splice....
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Is this really that bad? Splice excluded, it looks not much different than the average service upgrade.

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#108522 - 03/31/04 05:43 PM Re: Another Flying Splice....
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When I redid Grandma's service (see pics here http://electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000444.html

I was originally going to install a gutter to terminate the NM into, then use 3/4" EMT nipples to the new CB Panel with THHN inbetween. Luckily there was enough line to play with where I didn't wind up "extending" every run w/wirenuts, and was able to install the new panel in a good spot.

The only possible violation I can see (other than the flier, and possible 12AWG extensions of 14AWG NM conductors - L side of panel) is multiple NM's per connector at the top of the panel box (3rd from right side)...

Agree it is ugly ...

[This message has been edited by DougW (edited 03-31-2004).]

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#108523 - 03/31/04 05:43 PM Re: Another Flying Splice....
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I just noticed the white wire on the upper left 220V breaker...

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