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#107439 - 08/26/04 10:53 AM Marina Telephone Flexible Conduit
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The attached photos show telephone cable installed in such a way as to make me forget what I was doing and overlook for a time the supports missing on cables. If anyone recognizes the location, please do not state where it is. I asked permission to post these pictures as long as I did not say where they were taken.

1- The flexible conduits (and cables) need supports within 12" of the cabinets and at 3' intervals thereafter across the deck. NEC 350.30, 356.30

2- The flexible cable connection to the receptacle box is damaged and requires support as above. NEC 350.24

3- I should have checked the telephone cabling inside the hose, it must be listed for a wet location. The raceway (garden hose) is not listed for its use. NEC 800.4, 110.3(B), 800.6

4- The receptacles were GFCI protected by a breaker, but the cover was needing to be weatherproof while-in-use. NEC 406.8 (B)(1)

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#107440 - 09/26/04 07:03 PM Re: Marina Telephone Flexible Conduit
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No, no way... definately no way... Please tell me when the NEC said "Garden hose is a permitted raceway?" (Question not comment.) At least you can do what I know somebody said in another post, "Saving materials by combining water and electrical service." I'd like to see that hose connected to a faucet...
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#107441 - 01/01/07 07:21 PM Re: Marina Telephone Flexible Conduit
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BUMP!

From time to time I look at some of these old threads to further familiarize myself with code articles and violations. This one I thought was pretty comical. Does the flex coming from out of the enclosure to the weatherproof box violate bending radius requirements?
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#107442 - 01/02/07 08:35 AM Re: Marina Telephone Flexible Conduit
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The top garden hose certainly looks like it does...
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#107443 - 01/02/07 12:35 PM Re: Marina Telephone Flexible Conduit
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I think ShockMe77 and I are seeing the same thing. Isn't that a couple of garden hoses (bottom left and top)?

Is this a bad use of garden hoses for data/com or a bad use of a single-ganged outdoor box for a water junction? Either way, I don't like it!
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#107444 - 01/02/07 12:43 PM Re: Marina Telephone Flexible Conduit
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I see shoddy workmanship at marinas all the time. PVC sagging or pulling apart is probably the most common. White PVC couplings and elbows with gray PVC for electrical work is probably next. They get pretty creative with garden hoses too, but that's probably one of the better botch jobs that I have seen.
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#107445 - 01/02/07 09:05 PM Re: Marina Telephone Flexible Conduit
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That would never fly here! The connector isn't listed for a garden hose!
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#107446 - 01/03/07 04:45 PM Re: Marina Telephone Flexible Conduit
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That would never fly here! The connector isn't listed for a garden hose!


That's the least of their problems...

Ian (Calling ****** Construction to demo a singlewide!) A.
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#107447 - 01/05/07 02:36 AM Re: Marina Telephone Flexible Conduit
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I have to ask.

What NEC code violation code be cited?

Lets leave 'Neat and Workmanlike' out of it.
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#107448 - 01/05/07 09:43 AM Re: Marina Telephone Flexible Conduit
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I can't believe I'm about to argue in favor of parts of this.....

If the phone cable inside the garden hose is rated for direct exposure to sunlight, saltwater, fishhooks, etc. does inserting it into garden hose violate anything?

If done neatly what violations exist.

And please list code sections.

RSlater,
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