ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals

ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Admin 16
Recent Posts
ESA Arc flash course
by TheShockDoctors. 03/24/17 10:15 AM
fuse rejectors
by HotLine1. 03/24/17 07:53 AM
Another Forum Update
by Admin. 03/22/17 03:04 PM
Dining room plugs
by watersparkfalls. 03/21/17 10:31 PM
by jraef. 03/21/17 09:13 PM
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Popular Topics(Views)
231,394 Are you busy
166,113 Re: Forum
160,572 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 55 guests, and 14 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#107232 - 11/05/04 11:23 PM This Old House  
Admin  Offline

Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,434
This is a project that started out as a replace-the-1940s-outlets, and turned into a partial rewire.

The first two shots are in the attic...a violation of Article 300.11 Securing and Supporting. Notice the homemade cover in the second shot.
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
The next three shots are of a breezeway outlet. The first picture is to show that it looks like a correctly polarized outlet. The second shot is with the receptacle connector, and notice the color coding...Red to neutral, Black to ground, and White to power. You would have thought by chance he would have had one of them right. The third shot shows I had plenty of slack to work with on this one...not so lucky on a few of the others in the house.
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

2017 / 2014 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides

#107233 - 11/05/04 11:27 PM Re: This Old House  
Admin  Offline

Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,434
The next shot is of a PC closet light. This is exactly how it was...pulling down a little further every time she yanked on it. I call this one "The Firestarter".
[Linked Image]
The next shot is a laundry/freezer receptacle that was split-wired for the two 20-amp dedicated circuits. The breakers weren't handle-tied, and the outlet isn't 20-amp, violations of Articles 210.7(C) and 210.21(B)(1).
[Linked Image]
The last three shots are of the living room receptacle. The first one shows that it was fed by UF NM wiring with no connectors. This may be some original post-WWII NM circa 1945. The second shot shows a behind-the-wall shot with the outlet removed. The last shot shows how this receptacle was fed from a plug. It was plugged in prior to this shot being taken. Another outlet in the attic was fed from this mess.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

#107234 - 11/06/04 12:10 AM Re: This Old House  
SvenNYC  Offline
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,691
New York City

How did they manage to connect what I assume is 14 AWG solid wire to a plug that is designed for maximum 16 AWG stranded wire???

I mean...those plugs are used for small things like lamps and TV sets and small-to-medium duty use appliances; certainly NOT for this!

I'm thinking that trying to bend those wires around the terminal screws would have probably cracked the rubber housing of the plug. [Linked Image]

Oh...and if anyone wonders what the wall plate to the right of the outlet is in Shot #5, It looks like a connection for a TV antenna -- 300-ohm twinlead type.

At least that's what I've seen them labelled in places like Radio Shack - back when they still sold that stuff.

Talk about a PROJECT!

#107235 - 11/06/04 01:27 PM Re: This Old House  
sparked  Offline
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 114
In Picture #2 you can see the great lengths peole will go to to save 70ยข or so...

I notice there are several of those outlets marked TV.. I guess this house was "wired for tv"?

#107236 - 11/06/04 03:52 PM Re: This Old House  
classicsat  Offline
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 456
IMO that NM is too new to the that old. I'm guessing Later 1960/1970s there.
AFAIK, pre 1960 NM was the tar/paper /cloth stuff (with some sort of plastic or rubber insulated wires).

Member Spotlight
Brick, NJ USA
Posts: 6,799
Joined: April 2002
Show All Member Profiles 

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.016s Queries: 14 (0.004s) Memory: 0.7700 MB (Peak: 0.9051 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-03-25 07:51:11 UTC