ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals

ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Admin 16
Recent Posts
fuse rejectors
by HotLine1. 03/24/17 07:53 AM
Another Forum Update
by Admin. 03/22/17 03:04 PM
Dining room plugs
by watersparkfalls. 03/21/17 10:31 PM
TRUE POWER
by jraef. 03/21/17 09:13 PM
WEG CFW-11 Frequency Inverter
by jraef. 03/21/17 08:50 PM
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Popular Topics(Views)
231,315 Are you busy
166,048 Re: Forum
160,525 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
1 registered members (electure), 60 guests, and 10 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#106576 - 04/09/05 01:03 PM Outdoor Receptacle - A Different Way  
Admin  Offline

Administrator
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,434
NY, USA
Quote
Attached is a picture of an old-style service. What makes this one a little different is the addition of a piece of SO with a cord cap to serve as a receptacle for outdoor use.

My question is...assume a new instalation, with a GFI circuit breaker and proper strain relief: would you allow this sort of receptacle, which has no box? It would appear that the natural tendency to point "down" would make an 'in use" cover unnecessary.

renosteinke
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]


2017 / 2014 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides

#106577 - 04/09/05 01:10 PM Re: Outdoor Receptacle - A Different Way  
Dave55  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 697
Crystal Lake, Illinois, USA
400.7 and 400.8 rule out the acceptablitiy, but it uses some creative thinking.

Dave


#106578 - 04/09/05 06:52 PM Re: Outdoor Receptacle - A Different Way  
renosteinke  Offline
Cat Servant
Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,316
Blue Collar Country
This manner of getting an outdoor 'power point'- especially if the cap also has an additional rubber boot (thanks, Bill), seem to have some good points to it. You can see the advantage of some flexability at this point, for instance. (If nothing else, it would avoid the ground up/down argument! :-) ).

Maybe the code ought to allow this example of "thinking outside the box?"


#106579 - 04/09/05 06:56 PM Re: Outdoor Receptacle - A Different Way  
iwire  Offline
Moderator
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,391
North Attleboro, MA USA
I am more concerned with the NEMA 1 (indoor dry location) panel being used outdoors in a wet location than the extensively water proofed (by paint) cord cap.


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts

#106580 - 04/09/05 07:35 PM Re: Outdoor Receptacle - A Different Way  
PCBelarge  Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 681
Dobbs Ferry, NY, USA
How about 312.2(A)?
Cables or Raceways entering above the level of live parts.

I cannot see the use of flexible cable for outdoor locations such as this being very good - Mother Nature usually has her way, and cords are not going to last all that long, relatively speeking.

Pierre


Pierre Belarge

#106581 - 04/09/05 07:36 PM Re: Outdoor Receptacle - A Different Way  
Dave55  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 697
Crystal Lake, Illinois, USA
Apparently it's an indoor fusebox, considering a spare fuse is on top of it...Yikes!

Dave


#106582 - 04/09/05 08:53 PM Re: Outdoor Receptacle - A Different Way  
renosteinke  Offline
Cat Servant
Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,316
Blue Collar Country
Rest assured...this service will soon be replaced...and, for the eagle-eyed amongst us, moved from above the stairwell into the root celler!

The comments as to the "Nema-1" enclosure got me thinking...I'm not sure I've ever seen an enclosure of this vintage that would meet any sort of "outdoor" spec. I wonder how old the Nema standards are?

One thing about the service here is that the slumlord has spent virtually nothing on it since it was built...so it's almost like a snapshot in time, of how things were once done. (Most of the K&T supplied receps are still two-prong- and that's good news!)


#106583 - 04/10/05 07:56 AM Re: Outdoor Receptacle - A Different Way  
iwire  Offline
Moderator
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,391
North Attleboro, MA USA
Reno

Quote
The comments as to the "Nema-1" enclosure got me thinking...I'm not sure I've ever seen an enclosure of this vintage that would meet any sort of "outdoor" spec.


I agree there may have been no NEMA 3R standard at that time.

I still would think outdoor units where available or that this one says something about dry location use.

But who knows, it's still working it must be OK. [Linked Image]

Bob


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts


Member Spotlight
watersparkfalls
watersparkfalls
Washington...Not DC
Posts: 216
Joined: March 2005
Show All Member Profiles 
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.017s Queries: 14 (0.004s) Memory: 0.7926 MB (Peak: 0.9518 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-03-24 13:54:03 UTC