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#105936 - 09/26/05 10:56 PM Classic Violation Revisited!
Joe Tedesco Offline
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#105937 - 09/27/05 01:14 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!
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Registered: 04/19/05
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Loc: Lehigh Acres, FL
Anyone got some wirenuts? I see some old Hatfield brand wiring in there too. alot of houses back where I lived in Florida was wired with this brand of wiring
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#105938 - 09/27/05 03:53 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!
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Registered: 11/30/01
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Loc: Wharton, Texas, USA
Several things here:
1) what is the max wire count supposed to be in a box like this? I have a feeling that twelve is way too much for this little box.
2) it would be good for that newer romex to be clamped in place, too.
3) question: if these wires were pre-twisted (albeit VERY poorly), why are they twisted COUNTERCLOCKWISE ?
4) bonding to the box would be a good thing.
5) how about nice longer tails in the box (a larger box) so that the splices can be made up properly?
6) yeah, wirenuts would be a nice touch here , so would a cover (although I hope it was removed for picture taking, or because this thing is in such a sorry state that it's about to be completely re-worked).

This one's a do-over.

Mike (mamills)

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#105939 - 09/27/05 03:56 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!
Hemingray Offline
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there's alot more than 12 in there, unless that other piece of "Plastic" romex is going over the box..
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#105940 - 09/27/05 04:02 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!
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Registered: 02/13/02
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Loc: Malden MA
I count 5 white wires and 5 black ones plus the grounds and clamps - looks like 12 for the fill.

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#105941 - 09/27/05 06:02 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!
John Crighton Offline
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Registered: 05/16/05
Posts: 172
Loc: Southern California
Yes, it's just shameful the way the screws don't match.

Why are some of the grounding conductors so small? (Look at the twisted area in the middle.) Is that some kind of weird cable?

I wonder if there was also a plaster ring and a device of some kind. This looks like the sort of thing you'd see in the middle of a garage, with a porcelain lampholder.

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#105942 - 09/27/05 06:25 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!
Elviscat Offline
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Registered: 08/13/05
Posts: 214
Loc: Seattle Washington USA
John- That old cloth covered romex and some of the earlier black plastic stuff sometimes had a #16 reduced ground, I usually find it wrapped around the screw on the cable clamp

-Will

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#105943 - 09/28/05 06:15 AM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!
Ryan_J Offline
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Registered: 08/19/03
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Loc: West Jordan, Utah, USA
It might be a good idea to twist the wires closkwise instead of counterclockwise as well...just in case they are considering putting wire nuts on
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#105944 - 12/10/05 04:45 AM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!
vlad_tepish Offline
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Registered: 10/30/05
Posts: 39
Loc: Delavan,Wis,USA
while rewiring my basement i found several lefty twisted wires in the lite boxes..also they must have had a sale on #10 romex because the whole basement is run with it.
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#105945 - 12/10/05 12:41 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!
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Loc: Palo Alto, CA, USA
 Quote:
...why are they twisted COUNTERCLOCKWISE ?


I think this pic is from Australia or New Zealand. I understand the water in the toilets there swirls backwards, too.

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