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#105093 - 05/07/04 01:14 AM Would You Want This Panelboard In Your Home?
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Would You Want This Panelboard In Your Home?



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#105094 - 05/07/04 02:58 AM Re: Would You Want This Panelboard In Your Home?
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Why is it that most painters are clueless to the fact that we really don't wan't paint inside our panels???? & that there IS a reason for that!?!! (resistance).. This one looks like its working on its 2nd coat!

At least it has a separate ground bar!

-Randy

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#105095 - 05/07/04 08:24 AM Re: Would You Want This Panelboard In Your Home?
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I'm pretty firm with customers about not coming for the final until after the painting is done. I also carry painters masking tape on the truck to prevent this.

One of my least favorite things is having the customer tell me he's rolling the paint and when I come back, he hired someone who sprayed and all the wires are white.

Dave

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#105096 - 05/07/04 08:46 AM Re: Would You Want This Panelboard In Your Home?
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The obvious problem with the paint aside, It bothers me to see a small panel such as this stuffed with all those tandem breakers. It seems like a method of cost cutting, instead of installing a nice full-sized panel with full size breakers, and at least a little room for growth.

Joe: I hope they didn't paint the buss connections as well!

Mike (mamills)

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#105097 - 05/07/04 08:48 AM Re: Would You Want This Panelboard In Your Home?
Joe Tedesco Offline
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Someone also suggested that this equipment may have been under water at one time. I think NEMA has a recommended standard or guide for the subject of floods and electrical equipment?
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#105098 - 05/07/04 01:30 PM Re: Would You Want This Panelboard In Your Home?
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Besides being painted, and probably overcrowded (tandems) it sure looks like a 3 wire panel, as I see no ground conductor, nor ground block!

That leads me to believe it is either a 'sub' or a "no-main", but there's more than 6 switches. Red Tag time!

John
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#105099 - 05/07/04 05:38 PM Re: Would You Want This Panelboard In Your Home?
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It is a sub panel the equipment ground bar is in the left side so no issue there. It also is probably an 8/16 type panel. (Eight full size breakers or eight tandem breakers) so no problem there. I guess the main issue here is the paint.

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#105100 - 05/08/04 07:27 AM Re: Would You Want This Panelboard In Your Home?
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The panel looks like a I-T-E panel, most C/B's are Bryant/ Westinghouse,I always cut a cover out of the box the panel came in but that will not stop some bozo from pulling it out, lazy painters w/ their airless and drywall hangers with a router get my blood boiling.

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#105101 - 05/09/04 02:02 AM Re: Would You Want This Panelboard In Your Home?
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Looks like the painter thought that the box was just a junction for neutrals.....

I hate going into a house and seeing electrical equipment painted over. The worst is when someone has deliberately painted all the switches and outlets to match the wall.

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#105102 - 05/09/04 09:57 AM Re: Would You Want This Panelboard In Your Home?
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Registered: 06/08/03
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Loc: Dobbs Ferry, NY, USA
I thought that one is not supposed to reidentify the phase conductors white

I have seen this many times. If that was my work, I would have it replaced at the painters expense.
I also see red and black conductors under the same phase - I wonder if that is from the same cable?

Pierre
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