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#104501 - 03/07/03 11:29 AM Vote for the GEC Color Here!!
Joe Tedesco Offline
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Is the color GREEN OK for use to identify the Grounding Electrode Conductor, or is it a violation to use it to identify a GEC?

Your Vote Here Please!

USE THE NEC ONLY PLEASE!

[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 03-07-2003).]
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#104502 - 03/07/03 12:08 PM Re: Vote for the GEC Color Here!!
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310.12(C) requires the grounding electrode conductor to be green.
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#104503 - 03/07/03 12:45 PM Re: Vote for the GEC Color Here!!
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I am securely on the fence as to any requirements, but I vote Green.
Rationale: none other than the fact that green indicates groundING everywhere else in the Code. (And yes, because we've always done it that way).
I also vote for a change to the Code. (if I can do that here)
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#104504 - 03/07/03 01:44 PM Re: Vote for the GEC Color Here!!
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Green is allowed to identiy the equipment grounding conductor. This is a grounding electrode conductor which is defined as the conductor that connects the grounding electrode to the equipment grounding conductor, the grounded conductor or both. My vote is absolutely not.
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#104505 - 03/07/03 01:54 PM Re: Vote for the GEC Color Here!!
Electra Offline
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Isn't that conduit also supposed to be bonded to the GEC?

Here in Portland, I have only seen the GEC as green.
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#104506 - 03/07/03 02:30 PM Re: Vote for the GEC Color Here!!
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I could see some diagnostic instances where a EGC should not be confused with a GEC, therefore some means of differentiating would be prudent.

OTOH, the NEC would seem moot on the subject, as if it is not a safety issue
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#104507 - 03/07/03 04:22 PM Re: Vote for the GEC Color Here!!
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Hi Joe,

How about........ (key word 'grounding')

2002 NEC:
Article 100 Definitions:

Quote:
Grounded. Connected to earth or to some conducting body that serves in place of the earth.


Quote:
Grounded Conductor. A system or circuit conductor that is intentionally grounded.


Quote:
Grounding Conductor. A conductor used to connect equipment or the grounded circuit of a wiring system to a grounding electrode or electrodes.

The later mixes the words "grounding" and "grounded" in a single definition that actually referes to two separate terms used elsewhere in the NEC.

What a conundrum!(a : a question or problem having only a conjectural answer b : an intricate and difficult problem)

Since there is no clear answer to be found in the NEC, but the words "grounding conductor" are used in reference to (A) the "grounding electrode conductor", which never specifies an identification in reference to color, and (B) the " equipment grounding conductor" which specifies an identification in reference to color (green),we are left to wonder what color if any, we are to use.
It would seem logical based on the above definitions to choose green since one is specified and one is not.

Hummm........

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#104508 - 03/07/03 04:45 PM Re: Vote for the GEC Color Here!!
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Since there is no clear answer to be found in the NEC


shall we move on to bonding idenification?
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#104509 - 03/07/03 05:37 PM Re: Vote for the GEC Color Here!!
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Hey sparky!

What did ya have in-mind?
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#104510 - 03/07/03 05:45 PM Re: Vote for the GEC Color Here!!
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WebSparky.
there is much controversy over 'bonding' vs. GEC's or EGC's , so would identification follow suit??

~S
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