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#103173 - 05/21/02 06:04 PM Vise Grip Neutral!
Joe Tedesco Offline
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Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 3325
Loc: Boston, Massachusetts USA


Joe, Here is something I found today that I couldn't resist sending you. I found this from a complaint given by the local power company. Now there are several violations here, not the least of which is the 10 AWG wire on a double pole 70 amp breaker, and the panel definitely needs to be changed because of deterioration. There are several others. This is a pretty poor situation. But the most interesting thing to me is the neutral wire terminated by the vise grip pliers. And this circuit was being used by the way. It was running about 200 feet to a travel trailer. I wonder what the voltage drop may be doing to affect the stuff in the trailer? The conductor is on top of the neutral bus and the vise grip is the connector. They could not back any of the screws out on the bus because of deterioration, and by the way, this is a main panel!


Thanks, Darryl Dempsey


[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 08-17-2002).]
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#103174 - 08/26/02 06:59 PM Re: Vise Grip Neutral!
John Steinke Offline
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Registered: 04/03/01
Posts: 509
Loc: Reno,Nv., USA
I guess the best thing about vise-grips is that they don't come with plastic-dipped handles- or some yahoo would use them on the buss bars- especially since FPE breakers are so hard to find, and so expensive when you find them!

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#103175 - 02/10/03 08:59 PM Re: Vise Grip Neutral!
jgaddis Offline
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Registered: 02/08/03
Posts: 4
Loc: muskegon, MI
What's going on with romex looking wire straight up the bottom with the conductors twisted together and attatched to neutral bar? inquiring minds wanna know

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#103176 - 02/11/03 05:48 AM Re: Vise Grip Neutral!
RSmike Offline
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Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 130
Loc: Holland, MI USA
Is that breaker and wire on the bottom left "new"? Looks kinda like it's a 50A.

RSlater,
RSmike

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#103177 - 02/11/03 03:35 PM Re: Vise Grip Neutral!
John Steinke Offline
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Registered: 04/03/01
Posts: 509
Loc: Reno,Nv., USA
Vise-Grip just came out with plastic-coated handles! Maybe this guy will use them on a hot wire? (Can we nominate him for a Darwin in advance?)

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#103178 - 02/11/03 05:01 PM Re: Vise Grip Neutral!
lighthouse Offline
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Registered: 01/02/03
Posts: 141
Loc: philadelphia pa 19125
well it looks like one of the circuits in the panel is right.that's the one just above the vise/grips.green tape too.but i can't tell the breaker or wire size.

John Steinke...yes we can

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#103179 - 02/11/03 09:54 PM Re: Vise Grip Neutral!
frenchelectrican Offline

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Registered: 02/06/03
Posts: 938
Loc: Wi/ Paris France { France for ...
(in french) QUOI ??????????????? c'est 70 amperage pour le no.10 fil ????? c'est coco

( in english) WHAT ?????? that no.10 wire for 70 amp that is nuts!! i wondering that sob did not get it on fire yet


that is the time bombie waiting for to exploade!!!

i hope someone get the attetion real fast

merci
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#103180 - 02/12/03 06:42 AM Re: Vise Grip Neutral!
mamills Offline
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Registered: 11/30/01
Posts: 739
Loc: Wharton, Texas, USA
Marc:
"...c'est coco."

I enjoy your posts. You have a remarkable way with the language.

Mike (mamills)

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#103181 - 02/12/03 09:23 PM Re: Vise Grip Neutral!
frenchelectrican Offline

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Registered: 02/06/03
Posts: 938
Loc: Wi/ Paris France { France for ...
to mamills:

merci for your kinds words and indeed i do see alot of crazy stuff in both usa and france

merci marc
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#103182 - 02/13/03 08:59 PM Re: Vise Grip Neutral!
wa2ise Offline
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Registered: 11/29/02
Posts: 771
Loc: Oradell NJ USA
Would the electrician who replaces this
mess get to keep the vise grips? They
may be too rusty to bother with, though...

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