The Electrical Contractor Network

ECN Electrical Forum
Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals

Books, Tools and Test Equipment for Electrical and Construction Trades

Register Now!

Register Now!

We want your input!


2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Recent Posts
Parking lot pole light swap....
by ghost307
49 minutes 28 seconds ago
International Wire Colour Codes
by Tjia1981
Yesterday at 12:08 PM
Son of Sparky
by HotLine1
10/20/16 07:43 PM
Speaking of Plugmold ...
by gfretwell
10/17/16 02:37 PM
Broken battery charger? Check for cobwebs!
by gfretwell
10/17/16 02:30 PM
New in the Gallery:
12.5A through 0.75mm˛ flex (just out of curiosity)
Shout Box

Top Posters (30 Days)
gfretwell 13
HotLine1 7
ghost307 7
renosteinke 6
Potseal 4
Who's Online
1 registered (Tjia1981), 252 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#100639 - 12/07/06 04:55 AM Strange Requests
Happi_Man Offline

Registered: 06/12/02
Posts: 213
Loc: Columbus, Ohio - USA
At least I think it is. We typically rough in a couple of can lights over the tub but I have a homeowner that wants to have a hanging light instead. I assume I would have to GFI protect it but are there any other issues, e.g. damp location issues. Would the light have to be a particular style?

They also want a duplex receptacle and a coax outlet on the wall above the tub as well. Any issues there besides GFI protection?

I don't understand people sometimes. Ha ha...I told them to be sure and get a TV with a REAL short cord...

Thanks for your input.

2014 / 2011 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides
#100640 - 12/07/06 06:00 AM Re: Strange Requests
ShockMe77 Offline

Registered: 06/11/05
Posts: 823
Loc: Rahway, New Jersey
The pendant light has to be at least 8' above the tub, or be at least 3' away from the outside edge of it.

410.4 (D)

The light DOES NOT have to be GFCI protected. In my opinion I think it should be, but that's not what the Code calls for.

Think about it. You're in a bathroom, you just got out of the shower, you're wet, the bulb goes out and u decide to change it right then and there. That's an accidential shock just waiting to happen.

[This message has been edited by ShockMe77 (edited 12-07-2006).]

#100641 - 12/07/06 06:34 AM Re: Strange Requests
ghost307 Offline

Registered: 05/09/05
Posts: 883
Loc: Chicago Illinois USA
NEC 410.4(D) says 'NO' to the hanging light unless no part of it is less than 8' above the TOP of the tub. I doubt that you would have the ceiling height to pull that one off.
I'd ask the AHJ if he would prohibit a receptacle based on NEC 406.8(C); the local interpretations vary.
I like the GFCI idea, even if your local Codes don't require it. It looks better in court when this doofus gets a shock while in the tub. Some jurisdictions call for GFCI for nearly everything in the room.

#100642 - 12/07/06 07:23 AM Re: Strange Requests
iwire Offline

Registered: 01/05/03
Posts: 4343
Loc: North Attleboro, MA USA
They also want a duplex receptacle and a coax outlet on the wall above the tub as well. Any issues there besides GFI protection?

Receptacles GFCI protected or not can not be installed in tub or shower spaces.
Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician

#100643 - 12/07/06 07:45 AM Re: Strange Requests
Steve T Offline

Registered: 02/14/01
Posts: 312
Loc: Oak Park, IL, USA
This TV in the tub area is becoming very popular it seems. All receptacles in a bathroom are required to be GFCI protected. Receptacles are not allowed in the tub area.
The code requires receptacles within five feet of a hydromassage tub be GFCI protected. (I suppose someone could install just a hydromassage tub in a room without a basin, thus the room not being defined as bathroom, and a special requirement for GFCI protection[680.71], but I've never seen that).

Tub area in regards to receptacles is not clearly defined in the code, so an interpretation is needed.

The light situation is clear.


ECN Electrical Forums - sponsored by Electrical Contractor Network - Electrical and Code Related Discussion for Electrical Contractors, Electricians, Inspectors, Instructors, Engineers and other related Professionals