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#205128 - 01/31/12 08:49 PM
Pashchen's Law
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Cat Servant
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OK, if you haven't yet read this IEEE paper, do so now, before proceeding: http://www.combinationafci.com/resources/doc_ieee_combination_afci.pdfNow, for the point of this thread: The author refers to a 'law of physics' which, he asserts, proves that a series arc cannot form between copper electrodes (think: broken wire) at household voltages.(See page 7 of the paper) The graph included in the paper as "Figure 5" does not support this. It is a graph of voltage vs. air pressure, with the electrodes kept 1" apart at all times. He posted the wrong graph. I am looking for links, or other DATA, that directly address his assertion. Any takers?
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#205132 - 01/31/12 09:30 PM
Re: Pashchen's Law
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This would apply for a sustained gap, where no re-contact between conductors would happen to re-draw the arc. And in reality, we can see these series arcs happen with very very narrow (smaller than a millimeter) gap. In addition to the air gap breakdown voltage, there is a voltage drop characteristic, much like seen in semiconductors, whenever you have transitions between different metals and the arc. I have only found a small amount of science on these aspects of arcs. But they do play some role in gas-discharge lighting.
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#205142 - 02/01/12 11:21 AM
Re: Pashchen's Law
[Re: renosteinke]
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Arc damage is cumulative and it tends to be self perpetuating. Arcs damage points and damaged points arc more. Once you have a high resistance contact it will just get hotter, making the resistance higher, rinse, repeat.
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#205146 - 02/01/12 02:13 PM
Re: Pashchen's Law
[Re: renosteinke]
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A spark is an arc unless you are really splitting hairs. I agree with the author who says it is hard to maintain an arc at normal household voltages and currents but I have a buzz box welder that can maintain an arc at some pretty low voltages.
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#205148 - 02/01/12 03:16 PM
Re: Pashchen's Law
[Re: renosteinke]
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Greg: Would I be correct that you have to start the weld by contact? And if you loose the arc, you have to make contact to restrike the arc?
How low can you drop the voltage to?
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#205150 - 02/01/12 03:59 PM
Re: Pashchen's Law
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In the real world the arc path is facilitated by dust/ particulates, etc.
So Pashchen's assumptions are NOT valid.
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