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Posted By: gfretwell Mirrored hard drives - 08/08/10 06:02 PM
Are you doing this?
It is a great way to keep your stuff backed up without thinking about it. Most SATA controllers have RAID these days so you just install another drive about the same as the one you want backed up and it "mirrors" the original all the time.
Drives are cheap enough that this is not really that expensive. If a drive fails you get a message, swap out the bad drive and the system re-syncs to the new drive. Nothing is lost. You can run single while you are getting your new drive but be aware you are not protected.
Posted By: schenimann Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/09/10 04:17 AM
I am. Two family members and some friends lost their hard drives in the last few months. They lost pics, documents, and just general everyday stuff.
I bought a 500gig external backup HD for about $80 at Best Buy. I plugged it in and it did all the work. When I change a file, it changes its files. It is cheap insurance and protection for my company and family files.
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/09/10 04:29 AM
That is not exactly the same as RAID 1 mirroring but it accomplishes the same thing.
Posted By: jackolsen Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/09/10 08:53 AM
I back up my company's books on a usb memory stick.The external back-up drive would give better protection for all my files.Thanks for the good idea.
Posted By: Scott35 Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/11/10 01:46 AM
I love Striping Drives!!!
(so, answer to Greg's 1st Post is _YES!!!_)

Prior to this Machine, all others were IDE type Drives. Mirroring would require a Drive Controller on the Expansion Bus, along with SCSI Drives - which the costs were > 300% of a "Master / Slave" set of Two IDE Drives.

This was a very Jurassic approach! (manually updating data from the "Master" Drive to the "Slave" Drive), but it did keep a redundant copy of my data + Directories, so when the Drive with the MBRs did fail, data was still arranged per Sub Directory structure.
This dramatically reduced the time and tasks required to get the Machine back in operation, but had more risks than a fully functioning RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks / Drives).

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Funny - but sad story, per my current Machine...

The Motherboard on this Machine has (6) SATA Drive Controllers built in, and was shipped with a single SATA Fixed Disk ("Hard Drive"), and a SATA CD-RW/DVD-RW+/-.

About 1 year after receiving the Machine, I decided to initiate a RAID Approach - and to do so with a "Clean Slate". So I backed up all data + Directory Structures to DVD-Rs, then performed an Unconditional Format on the original Fixed Disk Drive.
The Original Drive on Controller SATA0 was a Western Digital "Caviar" Series, 320GB SATA.
So I purchased an exactly similar Drive from Fry's, for use on SATA1.
(how many know the story here already???!!!).

Set everything up per RAID Level 1, partitioned the Array for (3) Logical Drives:
C: for OS and Apps (70GB)
E: Data (120GB),
F: Data (120GB),
G: Swap File - 2x capacity of DRAM (10GB)

Then installed everything.

About 1 Month later, Original Drive dies, so it gets removed, and the machine gets setup to use a single Fixed Disk.
Shortly there after, the other drive commits suicide!
That was when I discovered the issues with the WD 320GB Caviar Series SATA Drives.

Current configuration uses (2) Seagate "Barracuda" Series 500GB SATA Drives.

Drive plans for the next Two Frankenstein-ish Machines ("me-Built" not "pre-built"):

a: Backup-Aux machine; RAID Level 1,
b: New File/Server; RAID Level 3 or? (min. 3 disk array)

Scott
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/11/10 04:04 AM
W/D has by far the highest representation in my pile of bad drives. It is something like 6 to one over the Maxtor and Quantums.
My oldest running drive is a 1.2g fujitsu that lived in my car for 8 years (MP3 player)
I have a Caviar drive with a bullet hole in it. (actually the .380 round hit the hub and bounced off)
Yup I was a little mad at that one.

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Posted By: Trumpy Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/11/10 06:30 AM
Originally Posted by jackolsen
I back up my company's books on a usb memory stick.The external back-up drive would give better protection for all my files.Thanks for the good idea.

I'd be very careful storing anything mission critical on a USB flash drive.
I have heard of these things dying after the static from peoples clothing (with having the drive in their pocket) has killed the drive.
Maybe it's just a freak thing, but it's not the sort of risk I'd like to take with important data.
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/11/10 07:49 AM
I have had thumb drives suddenly die on me.
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/11/10 11:22 PM
No complaints about my thumbs, at least 12-15 assorted mfg's & capacities.

After reading through this thread, I'm seeing how computer un-savvy I really am!

My backups are on a WD 'My Book' which I manually 'copy' to, as the auto backup that came with it took forever & slowed this LT down big time.

Critical data is either on a CD or a dedicated thumb, and secondarily on the WD My Book.

That's what I like about ECN, ya never stop learning!
Posted By: noderaser Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/12/10 05:05 AM
I have been fairly lucky over the years, in terms of drive failures. The most recent was just over a month ago, with a Seagate in my Mac Mini; I'm assuming that was a heat-related failure since things are packed pretty tightly in there. The time before that, it was another Seagate almost 10 years ago. I agree that Quantum and Maxtor were both good brands, but unfortunately they're both part of Seagate now. I have some Quantum drives that are over 20 years old and still kicking.

I don't do any RAID currently; my important files are backed up across three different computers using Live Sync, and also on an external 1TB drive using Time Machine on the Mini. That, and the occasional optical backup (usually every three months--much less frequent than I used to do) and I think I'm pretty much covered. The only down-time I experienced with the recent drive failure was waiting for the replacement to arrive and installing software. Of course, this happened between the time the external was ordered, and when it showed up--if I'd already had the external in place, restoration would have taken a couple of clicks.

While RAID is great for enterprise servers where downtime costs big $$$, I don't see it as necessary for the average user. Of course, my perspective may be a little different since I have multiple computers and having one go down doesn't bring everything to a halt.
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/12/10 04:56 PM
I guess I should not have been talking about this. I have a W/D drive that is getting flaky on me as we speak. It won't start sometimes and it is not in a RAID set. I am copying it off as we speak. It is going slow because I am copying over the network but I am afraid if I power it down to move it or put another drive into this machine it won't start again.
This is a machine I normally never powered down but I moved my weather station to another 24/7 machine so I could and this showed up.
Posted By: noderaser Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/14/10 04:54 AM
"I never have prob--"

(BSOD)
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/14/10 05:01 PM
I finally got all 200 gig copied over to another drive. It took forever on the network and Bill Gates deciding he needed to give me an update in the middle of the night and rebooting my machine didn't help. I guess I really need to clean up these files. My hard drives are starting to look like my garage.
I just have a habit of copying over everything on my old drives to my new drive and then adding to it. I noticed I have lots of copies of the same thing on one drive now.
Posted By: twh Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/15/10 05:20 AM
The solid state drives look interesting.

http://my.opera.com/portalnews/blog/2010/08/13/why-your-next-computer-upgrade-should-be-an-ssd
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/15/10 04:55 PM
I am not sure if flash is getting better but I have heard they are only good for around 10,000 write operations.
If this is a drive that is mostly read and not being overwritten, that is not a huge problem but if it is a paging area like the swap file it might go bad pretty fast.
Posted By: noderaser Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/16/10 04:13 AM
Most SSDs use flash memory that's good for around 100,000 write operations and that number increases all the time. They are incredibly fast, rugged drives that are finding their way into netbooks and laptops, and also desktops where people are looking for performance. It will probably be a few years before cost is comparable to standard mechanical drives, but I think eventually mechanical drives will probably become less prominent, except for large storage devices.

If you haven't seen an SSD boot a computer, you're really missing out. There are plenty of videos on YouTube making comparisons with SSDs and mechanical drives. There are also quite a few of people throwing the drives on concrete floors, and then booting a computer with it. I would imagine that manufacturers like Panasonic will be an early convert to SSDs, for use in their Toughbook products.

Even though they are less prone to physical shock damage, they're probably less reliable over the long-term. I've said for some time, that if the drive in my laptop goes I'll be switching it over to an SSD; unfortunately I no longer have a laptop due to our (un)friendly local thief.
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Mirrored hard drives - 08/16/10 06:03 AM
My granddaughter has an SSD drive in her Disney laptop.
(actually a pretty nice and tough machine)
I have a little software ap that makes thumb drives bootable .
I do have a windoze 98 system and a DOS system on thumb drives but I haven't really done much with them.
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