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Posted By: pauluk French pole vs. tractor - 07/16/07 08:39 AM
From Alan Belson:

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Pole downed by a tractor accident last March and still unrepaired.


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Posted By: Ann Brush Re: French pole vs. tractor - 07/16/07 01:55 PM
Is that electric power or just telco, looks like telco to me? Maybe they are arguing about who has the responsibility to fix it - the owner of the left cable or the owner of the right one?
Posted By: pauluk Re: French pole vs. tractor - 07/16/07 03:47 PM
Sure looks like it's just two multi-pair telephone cables. My guess would be France Telecom owns the lot. Alan?
Posted By: Alan Belson Re: French pole vs. tractor - 07/16/07 05:58 PM
France Telecom own all the poles and lines- it's still a State-owned monopoly. There will be no problem with payment, as the farmer will have mandatory insurance. As to when it will be repaired, ah, that's a State secret, but don't hold your breath!
Le paysan was hauling a full 'muckspreader', [ a PTO-powered machine that shreds manure and flings it on the pasture as fertilizer ], when he got too close to the ditch to let someone pass in the narrow lane and the thing tipped on its side. I happened by minutes later, which is how I know when it happened.
BTW those are cidre / calvados apple trees, the fruit is soley for making 'l'eau de vie'.
Posted By: djk Re: French pole vs. tractor - 07/19/07 11:16 PM
Alan,

France Télécom's neither state owned nor a monopoly.
It was privatised quite some time ago at this stage - you can check its stock quotes on the Euronext: FTE or NYSE
: FTE. It's also the parent of Orange (large European Mobile operator)

As for monopoly status, it may be dominant, but it's no more a state owned monopoly than BT in the UK is.

FT may still own the copper infrastructure, but you've access to umpteen carrier preselect, wholesale DSL, unbundled providers etc etc. Same as in the UK, US or elsewhere.

Posted By: Alan Belson Re: French pole vs. tractor - 07/20/07 10:53 AM
Thanks Dave, sorry I was a bit confused there! The French Government still own about a third. The previous CEO just happened to get the job as Finance Minister after leaving FT, what a coincidence! They still have about 100,000 unsackable employees in France. Illegal Gummint subsidies have had to be paid back. I think I still have to use FT to supply my line rental @ 17E / month whover I'm "with". From what my friends tell me who have tried the competition, like 'Primus', this waters down any savings on calls.
It still swims, looks and quacks like a duck from where I'm sitting!
Posted By: djk Re: French pole vs. tractor - 07/20/07 11:44 PM
Well, our wonderful Australian owned eircom charges €25.35 per month for a line regardless of who you're with. If you're with someone else, you just get levied a 'wholesale line rental' charge.

eircom plc is owned by Babcock & Brown (an Aussi investment bank) and 21.8% by its "ESOT" Employee Share Ownership Trust i.e. its own trade unions!
Posted By: pauluk Re: French pole vs. tractor - 07/22/07 10:09 AM
It's possible to switch completely to another Telco for both calls and line rental here, and it's a near-impossible task trying to keep up with all the package offers as each one tries to outdo the others to get business:

"Free calls to The Outer Hebrides on Sundays!"

"Ah, but we offer free calls to Outer Mongolia every other Monday between 8 and 9 p.m. so long as there's a full moon....."

I do sometimes feel that I'm fighting a losing battle though trying to explain to people around here that no matter who they pay for their line rental it is still BT which owns and maintains the local loop, and that any physical line faults they report to "their" telco will just be forwarded to BT to deal with.
Posted By: djk Re: French pole vs. tractor - 07/23/07 11:38 AM
It's looking likely in Ireland now that eircom's going to sell its retail arm and recently acquired mobile arm (Meteor). The idea being, Babcock and Brown (The company that owns most of it) would retain the lucrative wholesale and infrastructure part as it would make it less of a complex regulatory scenario.

Many commentators think that this is preparing the ground for sneeky little change of infrastructure over to a next generation network that would squeeze out the competition.

i.e. a move to fiber-to-the-kerb architecture i.e. lots and lots of little cabinets at local level housing the line cards and subscriber equipment sitting on big fiber optic circuits. Everything based on IP and basically eliminating the need for local exchanges (central offices).

It would look a lot more like a cable company's network topology.

They're also rumoured to be considering cashing in on a lot of property i.e. the local exchanges in the major urban centres while the value of the property is still insanely high. So, it's a win-win situation for eircom and not necessarily all that good for competition..

Remains to see what will happen.
Posted By: pauluk Re: French pole vs. tractor - 08/03/07 01:05 PM
A couple of weeks ago on a wet evening a car swung round a curve too quickly and demolished a pole a couple of miles from here. I know exactly when it happened as the police had the road blocked while the wreckage was cleared and I had to detour.

I saw the results going past next morning and was going to pick up my camera to get a couple of shots of the pieces of pole lying across the grass and the lines and junction boxes hanging gracefully from the trees.

Unlike France Telecom, though, BT was on the ball. It had all been repaired by the time I went by next afternoon, less than 48 hours since the accident.

Here's the new pole, freshly creosoted, everything refitted, and even some nice shiny new steps!

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Posted By: mbhydro Re: French pole vs. tractor - 08/04/07 05:59 PM
Here in Manitoba, MTS Allstream has gotten away from the climbing pegs. They don't put any on replacement poles and the old poles that had them don't anymore.

I am not sure if that's to keep unauthorized people from climbing the poles and getting hurt or a cost saving measure.

All the line-persons here have either a bucket truck if they are outside plant service or extension ladders if they are instillation / repair, so they do not need to climb the pole. I don't even know if they teach pole climbing anymore to the new staff.

One thing they are slow on is transferring over their cables to new poles if they are on a joint use pole with the hydro utility.
It's not unusual to see an old hydro pole cut off just above the telephone lines and be like that for months until the attachment hardware gets moved over to the adjacent new pole.
Posted By: classicsat Re: French pole vs. tractor - 08/05/07 04:01 PM
Creosoted? They don't do that around here anymore. They use Pressure Treated wooden poles (typically green, easy to see, also with a modern crossarm setup), or metal (usually galvanized steel) or concrete poles.
Posted By: pauluk Re: French pole vs. tractor - 08/06/07 02:56 PM
You could smell the fresh creosote from at least 6 ft. away!

On the steps, I was actually quite surprised to see them because they've fallen out of favor in recent years. Many poles no longer have them fitted and I thought BT had actually stopped using them on new poles.

I wonder if the removal from old poles is another "health & safety" issue courtesy of the H.S.E., maybe saying that the wood over a certain age can't be guaranteed to be sound enough?

Tell you what though, they've gone a long way up on this new pole. I can't imagine stepping up onto that top one for any reason.


Posted By: Alan Belson Re: French pole vs. tractor - 08/06/07 03:08 PM
You got to have a hook for your sandwich bag!
Meanwhile the French pole still leans! I expect they are waiting for October to get a couple of bottles of free cider!
Posted By: Alan Belson Re: French pole vs. tractor - 08/07/07 08:52 PM
On the subject of creosote, it is not "banned" in the EU or Britain, that's just MediaCrap. The directive states that creosote may [ and does ] continue to be used for new railway sleepers [ US: railroad-ties ] or new telegraph/phone poles. Restrictions applicable to use/re-use of old poles/sleepers are to avoid situations of frequent skin contact, contact by children or of food contact, such as picnic tables made from recycled & treated wood. The reason is that creosote contains a carcinogen which is now believed to be more active that previously thought.
On that basis we ought to ban barbeques, since the same carcinogen is found in food cooked over charcoal!

Posted By: pauluk Re: French pole vs. tractor - 08/19/07 04:36 PM
Some more from Alan:

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Another French Pole down. Gulp! This one is just round the corner from chez-moi! Snapped off in the wind, or hit by a cow? - anyway, looks like the creosote has failed. Love the economy F.T. warning tape!


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