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Posted By: Admin Some Items for Discussion ... - 03/31/06 12:40 AM
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Strange CF lamp. Installed in a HID looking fixture?
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House service (hint - not in the US)

- LearJet9
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Posted By: Hemingray Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 03/31/06 03:06 AM
not in the US? why do I see american receptacles? D:
Posted By: Celtic Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 03/31/06 04:10 AM
Thwe recept.s are upside down [Linked Image]
Posted By: Arend Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 03/31/06 07:23 AM
Looks like dutch fuseboxes to me. From the "HAF" brand.

For example:

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The main switch looks like a HOLEC one, probably somewhere around 160 amps.

On top of that are 6x 35amp diazed III fuses (probably 3 phase?)

In the box in the middle you can see 5 fuses (gray-yellow-gray-blue-blue).

Gray is for 16 amp diazed II fuses
Blue for 20 amp, and Yellow for 25 amp.

Also, the 3 right breakers look like ABB/HAF too.

Funny (and weird) setup.

- Arend
Posted By: Texas_Ranger Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 03/31/06 07:35 AM
Really weird but interesting stuff!
The top center DIII fuse is missing the key ring, meaning fuses up to 63 amps could be used!
The three single pole breakers (maybe Siemens?) next to the 1+N breakers (a style I've never seen before) scream 3ph too!
But why on earth the NEMA 5-15 receptacles?
That stuff seems to have been abandoned and partially demolished with all those cut wires.
Posted By: Alan Belson Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 03/31/06 07:56 AM
And a broken recep + Upside Down? Corrie-Iron roof? Theres a clue! Could it be Orsetrayleeah Fair-Dinkum? I can't see no bluddy flies though!! [Linked Image]

Alan

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PS Second thoughts. More than 3 blades of grass between the camera and the horizon, so it could be New Zealand, they like the old corrugated tin roofing as well! But then again, I can't see no bluddy sheep!

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Posted By: pauluk Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 03/31/06 10:36 AM
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Ah, but which ones are upside down? [Linked Image]

American receptacles, European-looking wiring. Could this be somewhere in Central/South America perhaps?
Posted By: LearJet9 Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 03/31/06 11:02 AM
A lot of land where several single family houses are to be built. Apparently they install the electric (underground) service in advance. (Aruba, Dutch Caribbean)
120V-60Hz. I was unable to ascertain any further info.

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Posted By: mahlere Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 03/31/06 12:58 PM
The service looks fun, but the fixtures can be found here. I just haven't seen any lamps shaped like that one. All the ones I've seen here are straight tubes compact fluorescents.

Fixtures work nice though. Instant start, no ballast to change (it's in the lamp), less heat.
Posted By: mamills Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 03/31/06 11:40 PM
I'm guessing that there is a meter somewhere nearby...?

Mike (mamills)
Posted By: RODALCO Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 04/01/06 01:29 AM
Looks like Holec Hazelmeijer switchgear to me.
This is extensively used in The Netherlands and Germany with the diazed fuses.
Type II as Arend quotes the colours , this range goes up to 25 Amps.

The 3Ø two row look like the D III type (bigger size) and are 35 Amps, black porcelain insert.
50 Amps (white) 63 Amps (Orange).
The din rail MCB's are used all over Europe and in New Zealand, although in non MEN countries these MCB's are 2 pole and switch the neutral as well.
Same applies to the round white switches on that panel, these are the group isolator switches.
There appears to be a lot of rust on the terminal screws, I take it that this panel was not in use prior to taking it out.
Interesting to see the US 110 Volts receptacles used here.
Posted By: RODALCO Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 04/01/06 01:38 AM
Re reading the other comments again , that perhaps explains the US receptacles as per LearJet9.

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A lot of land where several single family houses are to be built. Apparently they install the electric (underground) service in advance. (Aruba, Dutch Caribbean)
120V-60Hz. I was unable to ascertain any further info.

Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao are the Nederlandse Antillen, and it is very likely that Dutch switchgear was used here and I think 120 or 127 Volts is common there hence perhaps the US receptacles to make interchange with American equipment easier.
Posted By: NORCAL Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 04/01/06 03:56 AM
Another thing it looks like they used a "Bell Box" for those receptacles.
Posted By: LearJet9 Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 04/01/06 05:08 PM
RODALCO - I inquired with several people in Aruba and it was like I was speaking Greek. You provided more information than anyone where the stuff is installed!! The only info I was able to get is; The recept's are Leviton and I'm told that is very unusual. Usually the receptacles come from a company in Holland. As for the CF lamp.. Again, no one had a clue. It is a large supermarket downtown and these are used in place of HID fixtures.

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Posted By: Lostazhell Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 04/01/06 07:59 PM
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The recept's are Leviton and I'm told that is very unusual.

They look like old Eagle, Rodale or Circle F with the old 1960's Eagle faceplates.. [Linked Image]

Nonetheless.. This is an odd assortment of equiptment to see tied together!
Posted By: Texas_Ranger Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 04/07/06 12:53 PM
By all means, the feeder looks to be three-phase!
Maybe 127/220V with neutral supplied? The color coding is European. The Diazed fuses are too.

The roof doesn't have to be corrugated iron, corrugated asbestos/fiber cement panels are used extensively in Europe. (called Eternit).
Posted By: electure Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 04/09/06 03:42 AM
The CF lamp is a retrofit. It's self ballasted, and fits into a Merc Vapor "area fixture" (barn light). It has a Mogul base.


They sell them here at Home Depot, and they really work pretty well. A big plus is that they don't have the starting time or restrike time of the MV lamps.
Posted By: CTwireman Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 04/09/06 04:33 AM
Thanks for the info, Electure.

I saw those at HD too, and I was wondering if they were any good. Now I know. [Linked Image]

Not only is the starting/restrike eleminated, but the energy savings is pretty substantial with those retrofit lamps too.

Peter
Posted By: briselec Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 04/10/06 08:21 PM
that "barn light" is what we call a hi-bay here. They are common in industrial sheds with HID lamps but you can buy fluro versions which I've installed in offices for that "industrial" look.
Posted By: NORCAL Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 04/11/06 02:49 AM
A "Barn Light" and a "High Bay" are 2 different fixtures, perhaps someone will post a picture to show how they differ.
Posted By: :andy: Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 05/19/06 07:31 PM
i hope this stuff is really abandoned.
I always lose trust when i see rusty screws, paint or just dirt on Breakers.
Posted By: Rewired Re: Some Items for Discussion ... - 05/20/06 03:03 PM
That fixture thats posted in this thread I have always considered to be a "HI-BAY"... A " LO-BAY" is similar but with a wider reflector and a lens to spread out farther and more evenly....
A " Barn Light" or sometimes a
"Yard light" can be seen in the thread
"Light in a tree".. Just looks like a really small version of a streetlight..

A.D
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