Wow!! What a horror show, but that last pic makes it worthwile! That is one beautiful panel install!! Two thumbs WAAAY up for that!!

Ironically, just yesterday afternoon a garage in back of a duplex (housing units) half a block away caught fire. The smoke was so bad it got into my closed apartment and set off the smoke alarm!!


The cause? According to the firefighter I talked to, it was:

Faulty wiring. Big surprise around here. (Not.) Most garages are served with #14 suspended in air from the house to the garage, with the wiring in the garage usually SO or lamp cord from the original switched lighing box.

Beautiful panel makeup! Is that a surge protector to the right (crummy monitor, can't see what the label says)?

Mike (mamills)

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in the last photo...

oak veneer plywood... ???

Now you're just showing off...Very very nice install.

I have a question. If you go to a customer to replace a faulty switch, and you find what's in photo 1, what are you obligations? Can you legally only replace the switch and run like heck?

RSlater,
RSmike

Beautiful panel.

But why the groundbar?

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I agree with everyone, Awsome panel in the last picture.
CT, the groundbar is in due to the neutral and grounds being bonded in the MDP, this panel is a sub from the main therefor they are seperate.

Thanks Guys. The surge suppressor is a Square D like the distribution panel. The oak plywood was a scrap I had available. The groundbar is because the grounds & neutrals aren't bonded, and...the top photo was on a replacement of a grounded outlet with a GFCI in a bathroom.

My obligation on the GFCI replacement was to show this mess to the homeowner & quote the needed repair. If they had refused the repair, I would have left it like it was & made a note of the safety issue on the invoice.

I wouldn't have installed a GFCI on Romex with no connector and "run like heck". I should have taken a picture of the repair. I removed the mismatch gem boxes & installed a double-deep box & double-device ring. A little patch & it was ready for the new devices. I found a flying splice in the attic feeding this & rewired from the attic into the bathroom.

Dave

This looks like one of those former lake cottages retrofitted to year round use in the chain of lakes area.

It's only a matter of time before the NEC allows the use of surface run exposed cables for permanent installations within our homes. Electricians will become a thing of the past. The big box places will sell kits to wire rooms, houses, garages. All of it will plug in and run along the wall surface or baseboard stuck down with ape brand glue.

It's getting crazy in the industrial environment. All the field bus networks are running on cords and cables. In an area and time when you'd want RMC the industrial production equipment is shifting towards cords. It's all the manufacturers pushing for this because they can sell a new product.

I can hear my yet to be born son and future electrician asking me 'daddy what's conduit?' Hopefully I'll be dead and buried when it happens.

Nice installation. Whenever someone mentions ground bars and subpanels I recall being at my uncle's house as a teenager and wiring up some receptacles. There was a subpanel back in the corner of the basement...when I touched it I got a shock. At the time I didn't understand why AND I luckily I wasn't wiring anything into it. Obviously a serious loss of that mischievous white wire....and/or lack of ground…or both…or neither.

RSlater,
RSmike

RSmike,

I see all the new "plug and play" systems as a sign of progress.

Furthermore, if I am a building owner, I have every right to get the most functional and code compliant system for the least money possible. If that means using all modular wiring systems, so be it.

We don't have a right to dictate to customers what they should use if they aren't willing to pay for it. The beauty of the selection on the market is that we can choose the best product for every situation.

Sometimes, that means using all pipe and wire, like a pharmecutical plant. But there are many times when flexible/modular wiring will do just fine.

Peter

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Here are a couple more of the pictures I took.

This is how the exterior light was mounted, and then a picture of the flying splice that was buried in the attic insulation.

Dave

Nice looking panel, well done. Still amazed at what people do with electricity even after living with it for over 100 years. Send more pics as you go along. Looking forward to seeing them

Do you remove the ceiling fan that was shown? What did you do with that?

I'll make you a deal...

Fill out your profile & I'll answer your question.

Thanks,
Dave

Dave:
Since you brought up the subject of profile, I looked at yours, then at your homepage.

That paint scheme on the truck is a real eyecatcher!! Do you have other vehicles (or even equipment and tools for that fact) marked in a similar manner? With all the guys here who talk about equipment and tools being stolen, something marked like that would really stand out .

Mike (mamills)

One truck so far, but I went through a can of orange paint marking my tools last Saturday. My motivation was the recent theft of tools in Greyslake which isn't very far from here.

BTW, I mark my tools with my driver's lic. # and Illinois. Any police officer in the country should be able to look up that number if the tools were stolen.

Dave

Done.

I'm enthusiastic about rewiring that fan & the interior lights...as soon as we have a contract.

Dave