A call this morning- the lights and ceiling fan went out when they plugged in the vacuum. Hmm...breakers aren't tripped. Pull the cover off the little panel and...



Better fix that before I do anything.




I changed things around, added some breakers and... Oh well, not very pretty, but it's better, anyhow.
Now to check out that other problem.
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Easy to trace visible wiring method.




OK, let's see, here's the UF coming from the fan.....




Better not hit my head on the A/C wiring




Guess I better disconnect that A/C




Huh, had to shut off 3 breakers to get this box dead, but it's not THIS neutral connection.
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Found it! Neutral's loose in same box that they had the parallel 40Amp #14 and 30Amp #12 tied together in. It's my lucky day!



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"What, you mean to tell me the numbers on those breakers actually mean something?"

Man. If that were my house, that would be one of those "forget this, I'm tearing it out and starting from scratch!"

Talk about scary!

you..... you mean I'm not the only person who finds this stuff???

I'm with Sven on this, start from scratch.. Much less headaches than trying to piecemeal this mess into a coherent, code adhereing installation....

Purple's my favorite color. That's only good thing I see.

I hope this isn't in my city. Probably a lot just like it though.

Sorry, sandsnow. The purple wires have to go.
I got an approval to fix this mess from the owner of the complex.
The repairs will be as the panel was... very aesthetically unpleasing... but safe.
This isn't in your jurisdiction, Larry, but your little neighbor to the North. 90% of the places I've been in that town have major messes, but most not quite this bad.

Randy, there are enough hacks around to keep us both busy.

Purple is a high-leg here... (Local Code) However not to be double lugged in breakers. Two seperate ones at that...

This is a classic "tear-down-and-rebuild" job for, DYNAMITE! (Alan B. says I have to use "PBX, Plastic Bonded Explosives," though.)

Ian A.

Let's see that violates NEC big time
plus that looks like my House door bell system before I got a hold of it

Luke, welcome to the forum. I'd like to mention that it can get annoying pulling old threads up just to add a comment. There are plenty of fresh topics to chime in on.

Ahh yes, 'flying splices' what a lovely site. Guess if these pics were from a construction site, and there was a continuous egc this might meet the criteria for 527-4 (G)b.

Now, Larry, be nice to the lad.

I think the reason old threads get pulled back up is that the person has had an experience or has seen something like the topic, and it revived memories.

Besides, there are some real gems buried in the literally hundreds of pages of topics, so I say, bring 'em on!!!


Absolutely. But maybe the person has no experience/nothing of percieved value to add to one of those topics. There are many threads here that I follow but don't comment on because I have no meaningful input to add.

Please don't get mad, I'm not trying to attack you, but I felt the first quote was a bit insensitive to a new member.

And lukemon2, welcome to ECN!! There are many fine folks here (Larry is one of them!!)(Oh, was that ever a bad pun....) who you'll learn a lot from!!

lol, that's 99.9% of the threads I read.

You're right; my bad. I did try to say it politely, but I shouldn't have spoken for the majority.

I ajopo . . . , I apoppo . . . , I'm sorry.