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Posted By: Admin Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 01/01/06 07:54 PM
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Building on a thread started by "Lotsahell," here are the first pics from a transmission shop I'm currently working on.

The first pic is of the starter open; as you can see, this is a single-phase unit.
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The second pic shows the box feeding the com[pressor, as I found it. Please note the absense of either a cover or disconnecting means. Not so obvious is that there are three large wires, plus a ground wire, going to the compressor. This is one wire more than is neede for a single phase unit.
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A look behind the unit (pic 3) shows what happened to the lost phase- it was simply capped off at the flying splice.

- renosteinke
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Posted By: Lostazhell Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 01/03/06 03:02 AM
why do I get the feeling that all of this tomfoolerly is outside for the weather to wreak more havoc on than already exists.... [Linked Image] Some people just shouldn't be allowed contact with more than 12V!

PS. nice pics John.. [Linked Image]

-Randy
Posted By: mahlere Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 01/03/06 04:55 AM
ironically, NJ passed a law that a license is required for anything over 10v.

not sure if it's being enforced though.
Posted By: chipmunk Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 01/03/06 08:23 PM
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ironically, NJ passed a law that a license is required for anything over 10v.
That would be a good idea in some cases, 12v from a car/truck battery can do a lot of damage, but that would cover phones too (Unless there's a specific exclusion). The phone companies however might think that was a good idea [Linked Image]
Posted By: Rewired Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 01/03/06 11:43 PM
Yep, 12V is "safe" but when you have a few hundred amps availible and ya' short across it, things kind of get a bit hot let alone all the 'pirty sparks.. Very easy way to say start your car---> on fire. ( seen it)
Telephone?? Get your buddy to work on it.. If they don't feel the 50V D.C present, CALL THEM... See if they feel the 90V A.C "ring" [Linked Image]
Posted By: Theelectrikid Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 01/08/06 02:53 AM
"why do I get the feeling that all of this tomfoolerly is outside for the weather to wreak more havoc on than already exists.... Some people just shouldn't be allowed contact with more than 12V!"

If you ask me, some people shouldn't be allowed to touch a "AA" battery!

Ian A.
Posted By: pauluk Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 01/08/06 03:04 PM
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Yep, 12V is "safe" but when you have a few hundred amps availible and ya' short across it, things kind of get a bit hot let alone all the 'pirty sparks..

Definitely. So many times I've heard comments like "Oh, it's only a low voltage, it can't do any harm."

In the communications facility where I worked years ago we had the usual DC busbars running around above the racks for power. There were the usual 50V telephone equipment supplies, and we had a separate 28V distribution system for some of the satellite equipment. Some folk wouold scoff at the fuses and protection on that 28V system, but those busbars were fed from one heck of a big battery bank. The short-circuit current would have been well into the four-digit range, possibly even five.

At one point on the floor underneath the busbars was a patch where you could still see the burn marks from a slip made some years earlier. Apparently somebody accidentally dropped a wrench while working above on the cable trays and it bridged the bars as it fell. Needles to say, it was no longer usable for its intended purpose! [Linked Image]
Posted By: wa2ise Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 01/08/06 11:15 PM
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Some folk wouold scoff at the fuses and protection on that 28V system, but those busbars were fed from one heck of a big battery bank. The short-circuit current would have been well into the four-digit range, possibly even five.

I've heard stories about wedding rings and car batteries. That one needs to remove the ring before working with such batteries. Else you could literally burn your finger off from the heat of the fault current thru the ring from +12V to ground.... [Linked Image]

Once had a boss who had an ivory wedding ring (non-conductive material) to avoid this hazard, as well as any wayward smaller hot wires accidently getting under the ring to make a "good" connection to his body for a shocking experience. [Linked Image]
Posted By: Admin Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 03/07/06 03:42 AM
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Here is a pic of the compressor after I re-wired it.

- renosteinke
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Posted By: IanR Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 03/07/06 11:55 AM
Well, that looks much more respectable [Linked Image]
Posted By: Alan Belson Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 03/07/06 12:38 PM
Randy, it's got a roof over it for weather protection, HAHAHAHA! What worries me is the "roof" appears to be an electric grill!!! [Linked Image]

Alan
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 03/08/06 11:17 PM
Ahh,
That's better!.
Nice conduit work John. [Linked Image]

{BTW, I hope that isn't an extension cord going through the metal siding, next to the tank?} [Linked Image]
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 03/09/06 12:42 AM
Close, Mike..but no cigar. That's the 100 PSI air line, before it transitions to white PVC inside!

Hey, I JUST do the electric!
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 03/09/06 02:07 AM
Good to see John,
Just checking though!. [Linked Image]
Posted By: FountainGuy Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 03/17/06 05:53 PM
On most PVC fitting catalogs, like Spears, the catalogs state that their fittings are not intended to be used for compressed air. Many shops use PVC pipe for their compressors though, and Spears is just covering themselves in case of a lawsuit.
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Auto Shop #2 - more Horrors .... - 03/18/06 01:14 AM
This house of horrors is now shut down; the landlord evicted the bum. Of course, I haven't been paid yet, so I had to lien the place.
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