Panelboard Directory Not Properly Marked!! - 02/25/03 10:58 PM
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These panelboard directories were never filled out properly!
[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 02-26-2003).]
These panelboard directories were never filled out properly!
[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 02-26-2003).]
Re: Panelboard Directory Not Properly Marked!! - 02/26/03 01:22 AM
Not to mention it's a Zinsco!
Re: Panelboard Directory Not Properly Marked!! - 02/26/03 02:47 AM
Joe:
Now that you ripped it out of the panel....
there is no directory.
This subject used to be a "regular" violation item, but now most guys know they have to do it.
Hey, how about the ones that are marked "outlets" and "lights" alternately??
As I mentioned on another thread, the NEC states that the panel must be marked (labeled, identified) but it does not state "in English". What's your input??
John
Now that you ripped it out of the panel....
there is no directory.
This subject used to be a "regular" violation item, but now most guys know they have to do it.
Hey, how about the ones that are marked "outlets" and "lights" alternately??
As I mentioned on another thread, the NEC states that the panel must be marked (labeled, identified) but it does not state "in English". What's your input??
John
Re: Panelboard Directory Not Properly Marked!! - 02/26/03 04:56 AM
John,
That's an Interesting Question.
Bill
That's an Interesting Question.
Bill
Re: Panelboard Directory Not Properly Marked!! - 02/26/03 05:13 AM
Hmmm, was it Zinsco Division of FPE or was it FPE Division of Big-Z?
Don’t forget that technical-reference moderator Scott35 has some good Excel panel-schedule templates at https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum15/HTML/000060.html
Don’t forget that technical-reference moderator Scott35 has some good Excel panel-schedule templates at https:/
Re: Panelboard Directory Not Properly Marked!! - 02/26/03 05:29 AM
I was recently working on project where the panel was labeled only in Chinese.
Several years ago I started using Excel to create all of our directories. I made templates for the different loadcenters and panelboards that we use. I print a copy for the panel but also save a copy to my "panel" folder. This comes in handy when the customer calls and says the receptacles in my family room are not working. I can quickly look up which panel and breaker were dealing with.
Curt
Several years ago I started using Excel to create all of our directories. I made templates for the different loadcenters and panelboards that we use. I print a copy for the panel but also save a copy to my "panel" folder. This comes in handy when the customer calls and says the receptacles in my family room are not working. I can quickly look up which panel and breaker were dealing with.
Curt
Re: Panelboard Directory Not Properly Marked!! - 02/26/03 05:38 AM
Bjarney,
Zinsco became Sylvania then Challanger. Challenger purchased FPE and about the time Westinghouse purchased Challenger the FPE line was sold. The original Zinsco design was also sold to T&B who still makes the Zinsco brand breakers.
Curt
Zinsco became Sylvania then Challanger. Challenger purchased FPE and about the time Westinghouse purchased Challenger the FPE line was sold. The original Zinsco design was also sold to T&B who still makes the Zinsco brand breakers.
Curt
Re: Panelboard Directory Not Properly Marked!! - 02/26/03 12:15 PM
Here's a brand new panel on the "River Walk" that may not be properly filled out yet!
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Yes, I agree that the information should be in the language of the owner or general area, but this would be impossible everywhere.
CMP 1 probably would not accept any proposals to include this as a rule.
Yes, I agree that the information should be in the language of the owner or general area, but this would be impossible everywhere.
CMP 1 probably would not accept any proposals to include this as a rule.
Re: Panelboard Directory Not Properly Marked!! - 02/26/03 12:34 PM
I agree, merci marc!!
I agree, forgive me please!!
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I have seen a lot of circuit breaker boxes that do not list all of the items on the directory. In some cases, it is spooky to tell where the circuit goes!
What I do generally is to mark the circuits in the electrical box, and in the outlet box also, so that way it will tell where it came from. Sometimes I write the information in more than one language on the directory depending on the situation.
I use a computer or special printer to make a list of circuit breakers.
I know I am sounding off, but one thing I see is where circuit breaker manufactures make the directory spaces too small!
I cant’ write using smaller text and expect to have others read the information.
Joe, I am sure that paper directory you show here came with small spacing too for small writing, and in some cases can get mixed up!
I wish that companies would make the directory larger so it will be easier to mark it down.
merci marc
What I do generally is to mark the circuits in the electrical box, and in the outlet box also, so that way it will tell where it came from. Sometimes I write the information in more than one language on the directory depending on the situation.
I use a computer or special printer to make a list of circuit breakers.
I know I am sounding off, but one thing I see is where circuit breaker manufactures make the directory spaces too small!
I cant’ write using smaller text and expect to have others read the information.
Joe, I am sure that paper directory you show here came with small spacing too for small writing, and in some cases can get mixed up!
I wish that companies would make the directory larger so it will be easier to mark it down.
merci marc
I agree, forgive me please!!
Re: Panelboard Directory Not Properly Marked!! - 02/26/03 10:50 PM
I despise coming into a renovation job where the schedules are not recorded! Just did one where a certain office had to maintain power throughout the project and there were no schedules for the entire project (due to the owner hiring the cheapest EC he could find)!
You can only use a circuit tracer so much. One MPD w/ 7 sub panels.
What we do is keep a handwritten record during the entire project, (filled out as the work progresses) and leave it in the panel until the late stages of the project. We then type out the schedule using room numbers from the prints (ex. - Lght. Rms 110, 111).
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You can only use a circuit tracer so much. One MPD w/ 7 sub panels.
What we do is keep a handwritten record during the entire project, (filled out as the work progresses) and leave it in the panel until the late stages of the project. We then type out the schedule using room numbers from the prints (ex. - Lght. Rms 110, 111).
Ends up being easy to read despite the small print size and helpful, especially on jobs where room numbers are posted on the doors
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Re: Panelboard Directory Not Properly Marked!! - 02/27/03 01:15 AM
The practice of intentionally shorting a circuit because you can’t find a breaker is equally undesirable.
Re: Panelboard Directory Not Properly Marked!! - 02/27/03 11:33 PM
Caselec: The only reason I believe you is that I also have encountered a panel labled in Chinese- here in Reno!
I like lebeling the circuits, but I often do not use the provided piece of paper. What, with all the other stuff in a panel, the doors that open upwards (as in an all-in-one), and the tiny spaces provided, I'm just not happy using the provided sheet or sticker.
So, what do I usually do? Well, when hooking up the circuits, I often write something on the breaker itself. Then, when the faceplate is installed, I use a leble printer to make a sensible lable, and post it right next to the breaker.
The most important part of identifying circuits is to lay them out in a sensible way in the first place. This is impossible to do if you insist on using the absolute minimum number of circuits, or do things like having the GFI in one room serve other locations as well!
Likewise, if you ignore NEC advice to allow for future growth, you can be sure that a few remodels down the road the panel directory will be only so much fiction.
In more specialised situations, I have also copied the "emergency exit drawing," used highlighters to identify areas of circuit coverage, and pasted that to the door of the panel.
I like lebeling the circuits, but I often do not use the provided piece of paper. What, with all the other stuff in a panel, the doors that open upwards (as in an all-in-one), and the tiny spaces provided, I'm just not happy using the provided sheet or sticker.
So, what do I usually do? Well, when hooking up the circuits, I often write something on the breaker itself. Then, when the faceplate is installed, I use a leble printer to make a sensible lable, and post it right next to the breaker.
The most important part of identifying circuits is to lay them out in a sensible way in the first place. This is impossible to do if you insist on using the absolute minimum number of circuits, or do things like having the GFI in one room serve other locations as well!
Likewise, if you ignore NEC advice to allow for future growth, you can be sure that a few remodels down the road the panel directory will be only so much fiction.
In more specialised situations, I have also copied the "emergency exit drawing," used highlighters to identify areas of circuit coverage, and pasted that to the door of the panel.