Dear all!

To set up a database, I need a list of all the mobile codes of handys around the world.
For example in Hungary there are:
+36-30 for T-mobile,
+36-20 for Pannon GSM and
+36-70 for Vodafone.

Can someone please link me a site?

Danke Sehr!

Ireland:

Networks: Vodafone, O2, Meteor, and 3.

There is full number portability between networks so it's hard to tell which network a particular number is on. If you're calling mobile to mobile, you get a short "Beep" before the call connects to warn you that the number is on another network as higher charges may apply.

Country Code: +353
GSM/3GSM Mobile prefixes: 83,84,85,86,87 -
Paging: prefix: 82
Non-geographic "national rate numbers: 81
(all of the above would be followed by a 7 digit number)

To directly access a mobile voicemail box:

+353 8X 5 XXX XXXX

+353 88 XXX XXXX was the analogue ETACS service and has not been in use for several years.

[OT]
Geographic numbers (normal fixed lines) are allocated in a fairly logical hierarchical area code system.

First the country's divided into 7 large areas:

Dublin - 01
Cork - 02
Eastern Area (Excluding Dublin) - 04
Southeast - 05
Southwest and Midwest: 06
Northwest - 07
West - 09

These are then subdivided into smaller area codes, the main town/city in each area being "1" e.g. Galway City = 091... a small town in the 09 area might be 097.

Local number lenghts vary.. and are either 5,6 or 7 digits long depending on population. However, that's gradually being changed and numbers are gradually becoming a uniform 7 digits long.

The phone system never made much use of step-by-step switching and was largely crossbar switched in the old days, which allowed greater flexibility in terms of number length.

From the late 1970s it rapidly moved to digital technology, which also had no problem handling varying number lengths.

... If calling from outside Ireland geographical numbers look like:

+353 X-XXX-XXXX
+353 XX-XXX-XXXX
+353 XX-XXX-XXX
+353 XX-XXX-XX
+353 XXX-XXX-XX

This is all moving to +353 XX-XXX-XXXX


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As far as the U.K. is concerned, all cellphone numbers are now:

+44 77...
+44 78... or
+44 79...

Other +44 7x assignments are used for personal numbers, pagers, etc.

You can get a complete list of the U.K. cellphone operators and the codes assigned at the Ofcom website . (Look for the Excel-format spreadsheet link a little way down the page.)

You can find links to various numbering guides for other countries at the World Telephone Numbering Guide website.

With regard to North America, it's not so simple, because cellphones are not assigned their own "area" codes as in Europe, e.g. the 212 area code serves both landlines and cellphones in Manhattan (and American area codes evolved on rather different lines than in Europe anyway, but that's another story!).

American/Canadian cellphones are assigned exchange prefixes within their own local area code, so you need to look at all six digits (area code plus 3-digit exchange prefix) to identify a cellphone number.

One of the main reasons for wanting identify cellphone numbers this side of the Atlantic is the high cost of calling them, and that problem doesn't exist in North America, where it costs the caller no more to call a cellphone than to call a landline in the same location. My apologies if I'm stating the obvious, but a lot of people over here don't realize there is a difference in the charging arrangements.

If you really need to find North American assignments, go to the "Numbering resources" section of the North American Numbering Plan administration. From there you can search any given NPA for all the exchange prefixes assigned.

Oh, Dear! You are all so sweet, thanks for the info. I save this.

If anybody can find a full international list, please let me know.

Dear Dave!

I see that in Ireland they use different prices for the mobile phones.

Can you tell me which is the most expensive?

Btw, I hope you are well, I've heard in the news about that huge windstorm.

Gloria

Oh, Dave, would you kindly give me the number of Voda, O2, Meteor and 3?

Gloria,

Unfortunately, you cannot reliably identify which network operator is associated with which number anymore. This is because, to increase competition numbers were made fully portable between networks. So, you can change network operator and keep your number.

The number portability system here works pretty well. Anyone can change network, including pre-pay customers, and the process typically only takes between 10 and 30 mins and has proven to be extremely popular.

All you can tell is that if an Irish number starts with 83,84,85,86 or 87 that it is a Mobile.

As for the costs:

The networks are all very compeditive, so it would be impossible to say that one was cheaper than the other as it would depend very much on your pattern of usage.

Vodafone and O2 are the dominant players with more than 80% of the market divided equally between the two networks.

Meteor's small but very agressivly taking customers at the moment.

and "3" is a fully 3G network and is only in the early stages of rollout here.

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Ahh! Me stupid! We have the same system, I just easily forgot it.
Hmmm.
I guess this makes a small difference, but I'll figure it out somehow.

Thank you very much

Dear Paul!

Thank you for the links. They are pretty good.

Wow, where would I be without you!

Gloria:

Link to Comreg http://www.comreg.ie/numbering/num_allocations.asp

This gives you a full database of the Irish numbering system.

Dear All!

I have found numbers for the United States how to say, islands and so on, but not the states. Can someone send me a link of mobile prefixes in the USA?

I'm so lucky, I have this forum.

Can someone please help me with the canadian cellphone prefixes too?

Thank you!

Not quite sure what you mean Gloria.

Are you referring to the various Caribbean island nations?

Re the Canadian cellphone numbers, Canada is part of the NANP as well, and like the U.S. cellphones are included within regular area codes. You can only tell them apart by looking at the central office code (the first 3 digits of the local 7-digit number).

A full list of cellphone prefixes would be very long and subject to frequent change as cellphone providers are assigned new prefixes. Identifying a cellphone just from the number is much harder in North America than in Europe, but then there's no real need to tell them apart from a caller's point of view.



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Gloria: You simply CANNOT tell wheather a North American phone number is terminating on a mobile phone or a normal fixed line.

Paul: Have you ever seen the proposals to create a "single european numbering zone".

The logic behind it is quite sensible as it would do a lot more than standardise the entire EU phone numbering system but would also open the entire EU phone network as a single market with the potential for any operator to offer services right across the entire EU.

As of 1992 they began to create a common european numbering space which included standardising international access to 00, introducing the pan european 112 emergency code, and the international toll free service 00 800 also partly came out of that.

The full proposal is to make the EU (and perhaps other non EU european countries) +3

The existing country codes would become area codes.

E.g. the UK would become +3 44
France would be +3 33
Germany +3 49
Ireland +3 353

This wouldn't effect normal dialling procedures initially.. but would free up a lot of new area codes.

These could then be assigned to regions as necessary to come up with a decent pan-european system.

However, while it might actually be a really good idea in theory it's unlikely to happen as it would be very disruptive to business.

The likely scenario is the expansion of european numbering space services.. e.g. pan european toll free, premium, shared cost, personal numbering and maybe mobile services in the future.

I understand now, however it is hard to find a reliable website for all these informations.

The US problem is solved, I see there are no difference between the mobile and grounded line prices, only Alaska, Hawaii and the Virgin Islands are different.

For Canada I also was too busy, the prices are the same there too. So the only question which I have for today, the numbers of Alaska, Hawaii and the Virgin Islands, but I guess its on the web.

Thank you!

Dear Trumpy!

Can you help me out with Chatham Island?

And others: I don't seem to find Hawaii and Alaska.

Please help!

Dear Guys!

Another problem.

I have a different price for the UK, called "Shared Costs" Does anybody know, what is that?

Thank you.

Shared cost numbers are special rate numbers where the cost is shared between the caller and the owner of that number.

E.g. local rate numbers.

the caller pays the local rate and the company they are calling pays the rest (the cost is shared)

In the UK.. these would typically be 0845 number

In Ireland 1-850 and 1-890

They're normally used for customer service, helplines, sales, radio phone ins, telephone banking etc etc. and have nothing to do with mobiles.

(There's also a regulation here for "bursty numbers" i.e. any number that's likely to result in more than 100 call attempts per second. These must be non-geographic and start with 71. The local exchanges can then manage the traffic without loosing capacity. e.g. if a radio phone in goes crazy and people start phoning 1850 71 5555...)

One of our local radio stations caused chaos during a world cup final ticket give away to the 10th caller. The problem was that the DJ called out their local number instead of the competition line! The local switch, got so busy that other traffic couldn't get through at all.


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The Alaska NPA is 907, Hawaii is 808. How much it costs to call these states will depend entirely upon your carrier. If they don't specifically list a special rate, then chances are they charge the same as for calling the Lower 48 states.


Go here for the other shared-cost codes.

Hmm... Like the original purpose of 900 numbers in North America.

I sure have. Last I heard the plan was abandoned, at least for now, as being far too disruptive and unrealistic at the present time. Frankly, it seems to me that the whole idea had more to do with politics than with any real technical need.

The paper is on the EU website:
http://europa.eu.int/ISPO/infosoc/legreg/docs/com97203.html

Just as a side comment on cellphone calls, I've seen comments from ex-pat Brits complaining about the way they get charged for incoming calls to cellphones in the U.S. and how it should be done the "correct" way as in Britain.

Personally, I think North America adopted the right approach. If you want the convenience of being able to receive calls on a mobile phone, why should you not pay for it? Why expect the person calling you to pay more for your convenience?

Quite a lot of people here simply will not call a cellphone number. Comments such as "Give me a proper number, I'm not calling that" are far from rare.

Paul:

With modern digital switching, the actual numbers dialled have no relevance to the call charging or routing. So the common european number plan issue is no longer technically relevant.

I can see the logic of creating pan-european services though. 00 800 2222 3333 is far easier to market across the entire EU than 25 seperate national toll free numbers.

and 112 and 00 make a lot of sense.

In terms of competition they could remove national telecom market boarders without disrupting the existing numbering arrangements.

e.g. allowing one GSM network to exist in multiple EU states as a single network without roaming.

Thank you all for your assistance, give me your account numbers.

I have some interesting thougts about this process: the silly situation of mobile or local city=county prefixes are not in connection with the (uhh, hard words...) infrastructure or development of the nations. For ex. Jamaica has about 200 mobile prefixes (Which doesn't mean all starts with 9)
Or you can call the main cities for a very low, usually about 0,025EUR/min price, when you pay about 0,5EUR/min thru the normal telephone lines.

Otherwise I'd welcome the idea of choosing the same prefixes for the same purpose, for ex. mobile can start with 9, DC 1.

Russia and Kazakhstan has the same 7, whenever the price of a call is more than double price for K. So I had to check the net for all the city prefixes in K. to make difference in the counting.

Wow, it's been a long week, but this topic made it easier.

Thank you again!

In Canada:
I know a person whose cell phone number was that of the same local exchange that wired phones get.

However both our cell phones are on a new exchange,supposedly cell specific, in another town.

In the US, they have number portability, which means you can take your number across cell, VOIP, and POTS providers. (I may be a little liberal, but the gist is there is no cell specific prefixes anymore.

I think the eventual scenario is that the US providers will stop charging for incomming calls and the european providers will stop charging for calls terminated on their networks.


So eventually, in maybe 10 years max, calls to mobile phones will be the same as calls to fixed line phones.

It will just take a little more time for competition to really take hold in a big way and drag prices dramatically downwards.

I can see plenty of ways this could be done, e.g. the VOIP operators operating as virtual networks on existing mobile infrastructure ..

In this case the prices for Canada and the USA are the same even the mobile prices.

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