All Members Do you Agree? Disagree? Why ___

I think all abandoned wiring in buildings should be removed, or put in order with covers installed.

NOTE: The new 2002 NEC now calls for abandoned wiring for some Chapter 6, 7, and 8 wiring methods to be removed or tagged -- this is to help lighten the fire load.

I could not agree more with maybe a little reservation. Nothing irritates me more than to open up conduits, troughs, JB's, and even panels to discover miles of unused and abandoned wiring. I consider that to be a sign of laziness on the part of my precursor on the job. Granted, a lot of wiring is left in place for future use. At the time that wire is no longer going to be used, it should be removed. I have run into many instances where old wire has been left in conduit and the new replacement wire ahs been put in the same conduit. It only makes sense to me to remove the abandoned wire and I think it makes for a neater, more professional job.

Joe,
I agree with you (and the City of Los Angeles) all the way. Identifying circuits and conductors that go "nowhere" is a royal pain. You just can't tell what you're working with. When these can be readily or accidentally energized again, it becomes a royal hazard.

Many times in a residential rewire ( fish job) the BX is installed thru holes that are just to size ( bit & brace?) , so they do not pull out. I simply wire nut all conductors together for burial.

to add, yes Joe, i agree the unused wiring should be dealt with in some manner.

[This message has been edited by sparky (edited 01-03-2002).]

To me, there's something really suck-ee about leaving unused circuitry hanging around. A few homeruns are not too bad - that way when it's time to add more workstations or whatever, there's at least something relatively clean and easy for the next guy.

A bunch of deleted branch circuits, plus empty conduits - even CAT 3/5 runs from the N.E.R. to where the old P.O.C was - just SUCKS!!!

Scott SET

LOL! Scott....i(we)agree !



neatness counts...

Joe, I think your proposal has merit, but for the issue of defining "abandoned". One man's 'abandoned' wire is another man's 'future'.This comes up quite frequently in industrial control wiring, especially when the conduit is maxed out with control wiring per old code..with no regard for derating..and it would be too disruptive and expensive to try to get the wires out. (I know..money isn't what the code is focusing on..unless you see the words, "where practicable")
On the other hand, it certainly would help in situations like I came across in a job recently..they used the old conduit and wires to feed some lights, using black/red/blue, and used brown/orange/yellow for phase colors in the added wiring. This mixed color scheme for the 277V lighting resulted from the effort by the foreman to save some money for the contractor by utilizing the old 'abandoned' wiring!
Then there are the cases like lifting a ceiling tile and finding a 3/4 flex laying on the ceiling with 6 hot wires..with just yellow wirenuts capping them off!

Elzappr:

I agree. Here is the proposal that was sent in for the 2002 NEC. The Reject is supported by a technical reason from the code panel.

(Log #2760)
1- 207 - (110-3(c)): Reject
SUBMITTER:
RECOMMENDATION: Add new text:
Permanent wiring abandoned in place shall be tagged or otherwise
identified at its termination and junction points as "Abandoned in
Place" or removed from all accessible areas and insulated from
contact with other live electrical wiring or devices.
SUBSTANTIATION: Electrical fire safety section 3-2.4 in NFPA 1
Fire Prevention Code should be added to NEC 2002.
PANEL ACTION: Reject.
PANEL STATEMENT: The submitter has not provided any
substantiation to address such a broad requirement. The
establishment and enforcement procedures concerning
maintenance requirements and identification of electrical
equipment not in use is better left to other codes and documents
such as NFPA 1.
NUMBER OF PANEL MEMBERS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE: 13
VOTE ON PANEL ACTION:
AFFIRMATIVE: 11
NEGATIVE: 1
NOT RETURNED: 1 Macias
EXPLANATION OF NEGATIVE:
ANTHONY: This seems to me to be a modest proposal. It does
not require removal of old cable which, while recommended, is not
always practical. It simply asks for them to be tagged from this point
forward. Furthermore, it is theoretically possible - though,
admittedly unlikely - that voltages can be induced in abandoned
cables in proximity to energized cables. A combustible material in
contact with a live end could pose a fire hazard.

Here are the new rules and some those that already existed in the 2002 NEC.

When an outlet is abandoned, discontinued, or removed, the sections of circuit conductors supplying the outlet shall be removed from the raceway. No splices or reinsulated conductors, such as would be the case of abandoned outlets on loop wiring, shall be allowed in raceways.

When an outlet is abandoned, discontinued, or removed, the sections of circuit conductors supplying the outlet shall be removed from the raceway. No splices or reinsulated conductors, such as would be the case with abandoned outlets on loop wiring, shall be allowed in raceways.

When an outlet is abandoned, discontinued, or removed, the sections of circuit conductors supplying the outlet shall be removed from the raceway. No splices or reinsulated conductors, such as would be the case with abandoned outlets on loop wiring, shall be allowed in raceways.

Abandoned Audio Distribution Cable. Installed audio distribution cable that is not terminated at equipment and not identified for future use with a tag.

(A) Spread of Fire or Products of Combustion. The accessible portion of abandoned audio distribution cables shall not be permitted to remain. See 300.21.

(6) Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain unless contained in metal raceways.
Abandoned Class 2, Class 3, and PLTC Cable. Installed Class 2, Class 3, and PLTC cable that is not terminated at equipment and not identified for future use with a tag.

(B) Spread of Fire or Products of Combustion. Section 300.21. The accessible portion of abandoned Class 2, Class 3, and PLTC cables shall not be permitted to remain.

(A) Plenum. Cables installed in ducts, plenums, and other spaces used for environmental air shall be Type CL2P or CL3P. Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain. Listed wires and cables installed in compliance with 300.22 shall be permitted.

(1) Cables installed in vertical runs and penetrating more than one floor, or cables installed in vertical runs in a shaft, shall be Type CL2R or CL3R. Floor penetrations requiring Type CL2R or CL3R shall contain only cables suitable for riser or plenum use. Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain.

(E) Other Wiring Within Buildings. Cables installed in building locations other than those covered in 725.61(A) through (D) shall be as described in any of (1) through (6). Abandoned cables in hollow spaces shall not be permitted to remain.

Abandoned Fire Alarm Cable. Installed fire alarm cable that is not terminated at equipment other than a connector and not identified for future use with a tag.

(A) Spread of Fire or Products of Combustion. Section 300.21. The accessible portion of abandoned fire alarm cables shall not be permitted to remain.

(A) Plenum. Cables installed in ducts, plenums, and other spaces used for environmental air shall be Type FPLP. Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain. Types FPLP, FPLR, and FPL cables installed in compliance with 300.22 shall be permitted.

(1) Cables installed in vertical runs and penetrating more than one floor, or cables installed in vertical runs in a shaft, shall be Type FPLR. Floor penetrations requiring Type FPLR shall contain only cables suitable for riser or plenum use. Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain.

Abandoned Optical Fiber Cable. Installed optical fiber cable that is not terminated at equipment other than a connector and not identified for future use with a tag.

(A) Spread of Fire or Products of Combustion. The requirements of 300.21 for electrical installations shall also apply to installations of optical fiber cables and raceways. The accessible portion of abandoned optical fiber cables shall not be permitted to remain.
(A) Plenum. Cables installed in ducts, plenums, and other spaces used for environmental air shall be Type OFNP or OFCP. Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain. Types OFNR, OFCR, OFNG, OFN, OFCG, and OFC cables installed in compliance with 300.22 shall be permitted.

Listed plenum optical fiber raceways shall be permitted to be installed in ducts and plenums as described in 300.22(B) and in other spaces used for environmental air as described in 300.22(C). Only types OFNP and OFCP cables shall be permitted to be installed in these raceways.

(1) Cables installed in vertical runs and penetrating more than one floor, or cables installed in vertical runs in a shaft, shall be Type OFNR or OFCR. Floor penetrations requiring Type OFNR or OFCR shall contain only cables suitable for riser or plenum use.

Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain. Listed riser optical fiber raceways shall be permitted to be installed in vertical riser runs in a shaft from floor to floor. Only Types OFNP, OFCP, OFNR and OFCR cables shall be permitted to be installed in these raceways.

Abandoned Communications Cable. Installed communications cable that is not terminated at both ends at a connector or other equipment and not identified for future use with a tag.

The accessible portion of abandoned communications cables shall not be permitted to remain.

(A) Plenum. Cables installed in ducts, plenums, and other spaces used for environmental air shall be Type CMP.

Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain. Types CMP, CMR, CMG, CM, and CMX and communications wire installed in compliance with 300.22 shall be permitted. Listed plenum communications raceways shall be permitted to be installed in ducts and plenums as described in 300.22(B) and in other spaces used for environmental air as described in 300.22(C). Only Type CMP cable shall be permitted to be installed in these raceways.

(1) Cables in Vertical Runs. Cables installed in vertical runs and penetrating more than one floor, or cables installed in vertical runs in a shaft, shall be Type CMR.

Floor penetrations requiring Type CMR shall contain only cables suitable for riser or plenum use. Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain. Listed riser communications raceways shall be permitted to be installed in vertical riser runs in a shaft from floor to floor. Only Type CMR and CMP cables shall be permitted to be installed in these raceways.

Abandoned Coaxial Cable. Installed coaxial cable that is not terminated at equipment other than a coaxial connector and not identified for future use with a tag.

(A) Spread of Fire or Products of Combustion. Section 300.21 shall apply. The accessible portion of abandoned coaxial cables shall not be permitted to remain.

(A) Plenum. Cables installed in ducts, plenums, and other spaces used for environmental air shall be Type CATVP.

Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain. Types CATVP, CATVR, CATV, and CATVX cables installed in compliance with 300.22 shall be permitted.

(1) Cables in Vertical Runs. Cables installed in vertical runs and penetrating more than one floor, or cables installed in vertical runs in a shaft, shall be Type CATVR. Floor penetrations requiring Type CATVR shall contain only cables suitable for riser or plenum use. Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain.

(D) Other Wiring Within Buildings. Cables installed in building locations other than the locations covered in 820.53(A) and (B) shall be with any of the requirements in 820.53(D)(1) through (5). Abandoned cables in hollow spaces shall not be permitted to remain.

Abandoned Network-Powered Broadband Communications Cable. Installed network-powered broadband communications cable that is not terminated at equipment other than a connector and not identified for future use with a tag.

(A) Spread of Fire or Products of Combustion. Section 300.21 shall apply. The accessible portion of abandoned network-powered broadband communications cables shall not be permitted to remain.

(B) Ducts, Plenums, and Other Air-Handling Spaces. Cables installed in ducts, plenums, and other spaces used for environmental air shall be Type BLP. Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain. Type BLX cable installed in compliance with 300.22 shall be permitted.

(1) Cables in Vertical Runs. Cables installed in vertical runs and penetrating more than one floor, or cables installed in vertical runs in a shaft, shall be Type BLP or BMR. Floor penetrations requiring Type BMR shall contain only cables suitable for riser or plenum use. Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain.

Joe,
Does the wording of the new sections requiring removal of abandoned low voltage wiring require that it be removed from the conduits, or just when the cable is run in the open?Don(resqcapt19)

Don:

Very Good Question! They don't say that they, the cables, are in raceways ..... but they could be in raceways ... don't you think so?

Here is the old discussion from over on the Old IAEI Board that was a subject we discussed last year:

http://www.iaei.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000076.html

[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 01-05-2002).]

I agree. Remove them. Too many times I've gotten into ceilings and found old telecom, intercom and computer wiring laying everywhere, it's like working in a blackberry patch with all the snags. Also agree with removing wire in raceway but I can als see that it could be used later. A nice touch is to leave one wire marked spare on each end.

[This message has been edited by spkjpr (edited 01-05-2002).]

spkjpr:

There are some good examples below that help to identify the subject of this thread. We can see where the cables are abandonded and are left hanging. If the electrical raceways were unused with wires inside of them, would it be difficult for anyone to just put on a simple cover, and maybe mark it for the next qualified electrician!

Bless that person, I always said when I worked up in an attic where I found a message on the cover, or inside on the cover with some direction.

However, we all know though we should never rely on a note and must always check the curcuit for voltage that may be present.

More support for a rule we need in the Code!

Joe, these appear all conduit examples

Sparky:

Yes, all are, except the cord on the ground.

What's your point?

Joe's first pic kind of makes me hungry for Spaghetti!

Would the CMP consider pasting a picture like that one within Article 110-12?

Something along the lines of a circle with the line through it, or maybe the logic symbol for "Not" [a "Q" with a line above it] could be integrated with said image to "Convey The Intent Of The Article"

Got to run, the guys with the canvas backfitting suit are coming for me

Sorry about that, just needed to make some jokes!

Scott SET

Joe,
The reason for my question about removal from raceways was because of the use of the word "accessible" in the Chapter 7 and 8 abandonded removal sections. Wires and cables in raceways are "accessible" if you use the Article 100 definition.
It appears that you have softened a bit on this issue. I think in the past when we debated this, you wanted removal of all abandonded wires and cables. I see in the first post of this thread that you would let them stay if they are covered. I would agree with a requirement for abandonded conductors worded like that post.

Joe, Don makes my point

OK, now let's all come together and write a rule that can be submitted as a proposal for the 2005 NEC.

As you can see above in the proposal, there already is something that covers the situation we are discussing here. If you look here http://www.iaei.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000076.html there are quite a few comments that also support the same situation where they show how other areas around the country have a rule that is applied to abandoned equipment.

I nominate Sparky as the Chairman and Don as the ECN Committee Secretary for Code Revisions.

LOL! well Joe, how could i possibly decline when my past rantings are so applicable?


Ok, down to biz...let me start with something simple ( this is bare bones..) and let those willing ammend it, perhaps that would be productive???


Abandonded Wiring

Wiring that is to be abandoned shall be marked, tagged and made unable to be energized.

PANEL ACTION: Reject.
PANEL STATEMENT: The submitter has not provided any substantiation to warrant changing the spelling of "abandoned" to "abandonded".

Abandoned Wiring

Wiring that is to be abandoned shall be marked, tagged and made unable to be energized.

secretary would not be my strong point...

Wiring that is to be abandoned in place shall be ...


My .02

[This message has been edited by Bill Addiss (edited 01-06-2002).]

ok....

Wiring that is to be abandoned in place shall be marked, tagged and made unable to be energized.

still a far cry from what has already been turned down here....


why was this considered 'a broad statement'? what is NFPA 1? Is there any existing FPN to this effect in the NEC now??

Sparky: No reference in the form of a FPN. Here is a summary of:
NFPA 1 Fire Prevention Code 2000 Edition

Chapter 1 Administration and Enforcement

1-1 Title.
1-2 Purpose.
1-3 Scope.
1-4 Authority.
1-5 Application.
1-6 Equivalencies and Alternatives.
1-7* Performance-Based Design.
1-8 Board of Appeals.
1-9 Occupancy.
1-10 Maintenance and Testing.
1-11 Records and Reports.
1-12 Duties and Powers of the Incident Commander.
1-13 Owner/Occupant Responsibilities.
1-14 Fire Reporting and False Alarms.
1-15 Tampering With Fire Safety Equipment.
1-16 Permits and Approvals.
1-17 Certificates of Fitness.
1-18 Plans Review.
1-19 Notice of Violations and Penalties.
1-20 Units.

Chapter 2 Definitions

2-1 Definitions.

Chapter 3 General Provisions

3-1 Fundamental Requirements.
3-2* Fire Drills.
3-3 Smoking.
3-4 Open Outdoor Fires, Incinerators, and Outdoor Fireplaces.
3-5 Fire Lanes.
3-6 Access Boxes.
3-7 Fire Protection Markings.
3-8 Vacant Buildings.
3-9 Combustible Vegetation.
3-10 Special Outdoor Events, Carnivals, and Fairs.

Chapter 4 Means of Egress

4-1 Application.
4-2 Minimum Width.
4-3 Number of Means of Egress.
4-4 Arrangement of Means of Egress.
4-5 Occupant Load.
4-6 Illumination of Means of Egress.
4-7* Emergency Lighting.
4-8 Marking of Means of Egress.
4-9 Means of Egress Reliability.

Chapter 5 Features of Fire Protection

5-1 General.
5-2 Construction.
5-3 Fire-Resistant Assemblies.
5-4 Fire Doors and Windows.
5-5 Interior Finish.
5-6 Furnishings, Contents, Decorations, and Treated Finishes.
5-7 Smoke Partitions.

Chapter 6 Building Services

6-1 Electrical Fire Safety.
6-2 Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning.
6-3 Elevators, Escalators, and Conveyors.
6-4 Utilities.
6-5 Heating Appliances.
6-6 Rubbish Chutes, Incinerators, and Laundry Chutes.
6-7 Emergency and Standby Power.
6-8* Smoke Control.

Chapter 7 Fire Protection Systems

7-1 General.
7-2 Standpipe Systems.
7-3 Automatic Sprinklers.
7-4 Fire Pumps.
7-5 Water Supply.
7-6 Portable Extinguishers.
7-7 Detection, Alarm, and Communication Systems.
7-8 Other Fire Protection Systems.

Chapter 8 Occupancy Fire Safety

8-1 Assembly Occupancies.
8-2 Educational Occupancies.
8-3 Day-Care Occupancies.
8-4 Health Care Occupancies.
8-5 Residential Board and Care Occupancies.
8-6 Ambulatory Health Care Centers.
8-7 Detention and Correctional Occupancies.
8-8 Hotels and Dormitories.
8-9 Apartment Buildings.
8-10 Lodging or Rooming Houses.
8-11 One- and Two-Family Dwellings and Manufactured Housing.
8-12 Mercantile Occupancies.
8-13 Business Occupancies.
8-14 Industrial Occupancies, Application.
8-15 Storage Occupancies.
8-16 Special Structures and High-Rise Buildings, Application.
8-17 Historical Buildings.

Chapter 9 Aerosol Products

9-1 Application.

Chapter 10 Airports and Heliports

10-1 Hangars.
10-2 Terminals.
10-3 Roof-Top Heliport Construction and Protection.

Chapter 11 Cleanrooms

11-1 General.
11-2 Applicability.

Chapter 12 Combustible Waste, Refuse, and Fibers

12-1 Combustible Waste and Refuse.
12-2 Combustible Fibers.

Chapter 13 Commercial Cooking Equipment

13-1 Commercial Cooking Equipment.
13-2 Portable Fire Extinguishers.
13-3 Extinguishing Systems for Commercial Cooking Equipment.

Chapter 14 Drycleaning

14-1 General.
14-2 Permits.

Chapter 15 Dust Explosion Prevention

15-1 General.
15-2 Permits.

Chapter 16 Fireworks, Model Rocketry, and Explosives

16-1 Fireworks Displays.
16-2 Pyrotechnics Before a Proximate Audience.
16-3 Flame Effects Before an Audience.
16-4 Fireworks Manufacturing.
16-5 Model Rocketry.
16-6 Rocketry Manufacturing.
16-7 High Power Rocketry.
16-8 Explosives.
16-9 Ammonium Nitrate.
16-10 Sale, Handling, and Storage of Consumer Fireworks.

Chapter 17 Flammable and Combustible Liquids

17-1 General.
17-2* Storage, Handling and Use.
17-3 Spray Application Using Flammable or Combustible Materials.
17-4 Dipping and Coating Processes.
17-5 Solvent Extraction.
17-6* Handling Underground Releases of Flammable and Combustible Liquids.

Chapter 18 Hot Work Operations

18-1 General.
18-2 Fire Prevention Precautions.
18-3 Oxygen-Fuel Gas Systems.

Chapter 19 Industrial Ovens and Furnaces

19-1 General.
19-2 Location.
19-3 Safety Controls.

Chapter 20 Laboratories Using Chemicals

20-1 General.
20-2 Laboratories in Health Care Occupancies.
20-3 Permits.

Chapter 21 Liquefied Petroleum Gases and Liquefied Natural Gases

21-1 General Provisions.
21-2 LP-Gas Equipment and Appliances.
21-3 Installation of LP-Gas Systems.
21-4 LP-Gas Liquid Transfer.
21-5 Storage of Portable Containers Awaiting Use or Resale.
21-6 Vehicular Transportation of LP-Gas.
21-7 LP-Gases at Utility Plants.
21-8 Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG).

Chapter 22 Marinas, Boatyards, Marine Terminals, Piers, and Wharves

22-1 Marinas and Boatyards.
22-2 Marine Terminals, Piers, and Wharves.
22-3 Construction, Repair, and Lay-Up of Vessels.

Chapter 23 Mechanical Refrigeration

23-1 General.
23-2 Classifications.
23-3 Maintenance and Installation.
23-4* Emergency Discharge of Ammonia Refrigerant.

Chapter 24 Oxidizers and Organic Peroxides

24-1 General.
24-2 Liquid and Solid Oxidizers.
24-3 Organic Peroxide Formulations.

Chapter 25 Parking Garages

25-1 General.

Chapter 26 Pesticides and Herbicides

26-1 General.
26-2 Application.
26-3 Applicability of Other Documents.
26-4 Hazard Identification.
26-5 Temporary Storage.

Chapter 27 Manufactured Home and Recreational Vehicle Sites

27-1 Manufactured Home Sites.
27-2 Recreational Vehicle Parks and Campgrounds.

Chapter 28 Refueling

28-1 General.
28-2 Automotive Fuel Servicing.
28-3 Aircraft Fuel Servicing.
28-4 Marine Service Stations.
28-5 Alternate Fuels.

Chapter 29 Safeguards During Building Construction, Alteration, and Demolition Operations

29-1 General Requirements.
29-2 Fire Safety During Construction.
29-3 Fire Safety During Demolition.
29-4 Torch-Applied Roofing Systems.
29-5 Tar Kettles.

Chapter 30 Service Stations and Repair Garages

30-1 Service Stations.
30-2 Repair Garages.

Chapter 31 Grandstands and Bleachers, Folding and Telescopic Seating, Tents, and Membrane
Structures

31-1 General.
31-2 Permanent Membrane Structures.
31-3 Temporary Membrane Structures.
31-4 Tents.
31-5 New Grandstands.
31-6 Existing Grandstands.
31-7 New Folding and Telescopic Seating.
31-8 Existing Folding and Telescopic Seating.
31-9 Maintenance of Outdoor Grandstands.
31-10 Maintenance and Operation of Folding and Telescopic Seating.

Chapter 32 Referenced Publications

32-1

Appendix A Explanatory Material
Appendix B Oxidizers and Organic Peroxides

B-1
B-2 Oxidizers.
B-3 Organic Peroxide Formulations.

Appendix C Sample Ordinance Adopting the Fire Prevention Code
Appendix D Referenced Publications

D-1

Tentative Interim Amendment

Committee Scope: This Committee shall have primary responsibility for documents on a Fire Prevention Code that includes appropriate administrative provisions, to be used with the National Fire Codes for the installation, operation, and maintenance of buildings, structures, and premises for the purpose of providing safety to life and property from fire and explosion. This includes development of requirements for, and maintenance of, systems and equipment for fire control and extinguishment. Safety to life of occupants of buildings and structures is under the primary jurisdiction of the Committee on Safety to Life.

Here is Chapter 6:

Chapter 6 Building Services
6-1 Electrical Fire Safety.
6-1.1
This section shall apply to new, existing, permanent, or temporary electrical appliances, equipment, fixtures, or wiring.
Exception: Existing installations shall be permitted to be continued in use provided the lack of conformity does not present an imminent hazard danger.
6-1.2
All electrical appliances, fixtures, equipment, or wiring shall be installed and maintained in accordance with NFPA 70, National Electrical Code®.
6-1.3
Permanent wiring shall be installed and maintained in accordance with NFPA 70, National Electrical Code.
6-1.4
Permanent wiring abandoned in place shall be tagged or otherwise identified at its termination and junction points as “Abandoned in Place” or removed from all accessible areas and insulated from contact with other live electrical wiring or devices.
6-1.5
Extension cords shall not be used as a substitute for permanent wiring.
6-2 Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning.
6-2.1
Air-conditioning, heating, and ventilating ductwork and related equipment shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 90A, Standard for the Installation of Air-Conditioning and Ventilating Systems, or NFPA 90B, Standard for the Installation of Warm Air Heating and Air-Conditioning Systems, as applicable.
Exception: Existing installations shall be permitted to be continued in service, subject to approval by the authority having jurisdiction.
6-2.2
Ventilating or heat-producing equipment shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 91, Standard for Exhaust Systems for Air Conveying of Vapors, Gases, Mists, and Noncombustible Particulate Solids; NFPA 211, Standard for Chimneys, Fireplaces, Vents, and Solid Fuel-Burning Appliances; NFPA 31, Standard for the Installation of Oil-Burning Equipment; NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code; or NFPA 70, National Electrical Code, as applicable.
Exception: Existing installations shall be permitted to be continued in service, subject to approval by the authority having jurisdiction.
6-2.3
Ventilating systems in laboratories using chemicals shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 45, Standard on Fire Protection for Laboratories Using Chemicals, or NFPA 99, Standard for Health Care Facilities, as appropriate.
6-3 Elevators, Escalators, and Conveyors.
6-3.1 Fire Fighters’ Service.
6-3.1.1
All new elevators shall conform to the Fire Fighters’ Service Requirements of ASME/ANSI A17.1, Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators. (101:9.4.3.1)
6-3.1.2
All existing elevators having a travel distance of 25 ft (7.6 m) or more above or below the level that best serves the needs of emergency personnel for fire fighting or rescue purposes shall conform to the Fire Fighters’ Service Requirements of ASME/ANSI A17.3, Safety Code for Existing Elevators and Escalators. (101:9.4.3.2)
6-3.2 Elevator Testing.
Elevators shall be subject to routine and periodic inspections and tests as specified in ASME/ANSI A17.1, Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators. All elevators equipped with fire fighter service in accordance with 6-3.1.1 and 6-3.1.2 shall be subject to a monthly operation with a written record of the findings made and kept on the premises as required by ASME/ANSI A17.1, Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators. (101:9.4.6)
6-3.3 Openings.
Conveyors, elevators, dumbwaiters, and pneumatic conveyors serving various stories of a building shall not open to an exit. (101:9.4.7)
6-4 Utilities.
Equipment using fuel gas and related gas piping shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code, or NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code.
Exception: Existing installations shall be permitted to be continued in service, subject to approval by the authority having jurisdiction.
6-5 Heating Appliances.
6-5.1 General.
6-5.1.1
The installation of liquid fuel-fired heating appliances shall comply with this chapter and NFPA 31, Standard for the Installation of Oil-Burning Equipment.
6-5.1.2
The installation of gas-fired heating appliances shall comply with this chapter and NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code. (See Chapter 21 for LP-Gas fuel supply and storage installations.)
6-5.1.3
This chapter shall not apply to internal combustion engines, oil lamps, or portable devices not otherwise covered in this Code or NFPA 31, Standard for the Installation of Oil-Burning Equipment, such as blow torches, melting pots, and weed burners. (See Chapter 5 of NFPA 31 for portable devices that are covered.) (31:1-1.3)
6-5.1.4
All heating appliances shall be approved or listed.
6-5.1.5 Permits.
Permits, where required, shall comply with Section 1-16.
6-5.1.6
Electrical wiring and equipment used in connection with oil-burning equipment shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 70, National Electrical Code. (31:1-13.1)
6-5.1.7
The grade of fuel oil used in a burner shall be that for which the burner is approved and as stipulated by the manufacturer. Crankcase oil or any oil containing gasoline shall not be used. For use of oil fuels other than those defined herein, see Section 1-3 of NFPA 31.
Exception: Where acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction, oil-burning equipment designed to burn crankcase oil shall be permitted to be used in commercial or industrial occupancies. Such oil-burning equipment shall be listed for use with crankcase oils and shall be installed in accordance with the manufacturers’ instructions and the terms of their listing. (See Section 1-16 of NFPA 31.) (31:1-15.1)
6-5.2 Kerosene Burners and Oil Stoves.
6-5.2.1
Kerosene burners and oil stoves shall be equipped with a primary safety control furnished as an integral part of the appliance by the manufacturer to stop the flow of oil in the event of flame failure. Barometric oil feed shall not be considered a primary safety control.
6-5.2.2
A conversion range oil burner shall be equipped with a thermal (heat actuated) valve in the oil supply line, located in the burner compartment of the stove.
6-5.2.3
Only listed kerosene heaters shall be used. The following safeguards shall apply:
(1) Provide adequate ventilation.
(2) Do not place on carpeting.
(3) Keep 3 ft (0.9 m) away from combustible furnishings or drapes.
(4) Use only approved Type 1-K water clear kerosene.
(5) Allow to cool before refueling.
6-5.3 Portable Electric Heater.
6-5.3.1
The authority having jurisdiction shall be permitted to prohibit use of portable electric heaters in occupancies or situations where such use or operation would present an undue danger to life or property.
6-5.3.2
Portable electric heaters shall be designed and located so that they cannot be easily overturned.
6-5.3.3
All portable electric heaters shall be listed.
6-5.4 Vents.
All chimneys, smokestacks, or similar devices for conveying smoke or hot gases to the outer air and the stoves, furnaces, incinerators, boilers, or any other heat-producing devices or appliances shall be installed and maintained in accordance with NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code, and NFPA 211, Standard for Chimneys, Fireplaces, Vents, and Solid Fuel-Burning Appliances.
6-6 Rubbish Chutes, Incinerators, and Laundry Chutes.
6-6.1 Enclosure.
Rubbish chutes and laundry chutes shall be separately enclosed by walls or partitions in accordance with the provisions of Section 8.2 of NFPA 101. Inlet openings serving chutes shall be protected in accordance with Section 8.2 of NFPA 101. Doors of such chutes shall open only to a room that is designed and used exclusively for accessing the chute opening. The room shall be separated from other spaces in accordance with Section 8.4 of NFPA 101.
Exception No. 1: Existing installations having properly enclosed service chutes and properly installed and maintained service openings shall be permitted to have inlets open to a corridor or normally occupied space.
Exception No. 2: Rubbish chutes and laundry chutes shall be permitted to open into rooms not exceeding 400 ft2 (37 m2) in area used for storage, provided that the room is protected by automatic sprinklers. (101:9.5.1)
6-6.2 Installation and Maintenance.
Rubbish chutes, laundry chutes, and incinerators shall be installed and maintained in accordance with NFPA 82, Standard on Incinerators and Waste and Linen Handling Systems and Equipment, unless existing installations, which shall be permitted to be continued in service, subject to approval by the authority having jurisdiction. (101:9.5.2)
6-7 Emergency and Standby Power.
6-7.1 Emergency Generators.
Emergency generators, where required for compliance with this Code, shall be tested and maintained in accordance with NFPA 110, Standard for Emergency and Standby Power Systems. (101:9.1.3)
6-7.2
Stored electrical energy systems shall be maintained in accordance with NFPA 111, Standard on Stored Electrical Energy Emergency and Standby Power Systems. (101:9.1.4)
6-8* Smoke Control.
Smoke control systems, where required or permitted by this Code, shall have an approved maintenance and testing program to ensure operational integrity. The purpose of such smoke control systems shall be to confine smoke to the general area of fire origin and maintain use of the means of egress system.

Thank you Joe.
Now being code for fire alarms should justify the same elsewhere in the code , should'nt it??

Sparky:

Yes, I believe that the Committee Scope I posted above for NFPA 1 helps to support your recommendations.

The National Fire Codes [NFC] include many of the rules that appear in NFPA 1, and can be determined by reference to Chapter 31.

I have the NFPA CD scbscription for the NFC so it helps me to find items that are related to our industry. You would be suprised if you knew about some of the "electrical" requirements that are beyond, or not considered by the NEC.

Do you think that it would be a good idea to develop threads here on a few of them? If there is enough interest, I would be happy to prepare the subjects and post them soon.

Joe,
yes i am surprised!
The bottom line would seem that a fire marshal would require by NFPA 1 something that I (we as electricians) would have no NEC reference to.
Not to belittle the safety concerns, but this could also become a contractual quagmire.

and yes, your references are eyeopening, please continue, thanks

Joe,
Please do go on! This is a very interesting thread!!

Cable Removal Might Be Quite Something

How about: "Wiring that is not being used, but is in good enough condition to be used in the future, shall be tied to equipment ground inside the circuit breaker panel and inside junction boxes, etc. Wiring that is no longer suitable for service shall be removed where practical, or if not, tagged and tied to equipment ground."

Tieing unused wires to ground should minimize the "unused hot wire" problem. And would supplement the equipment ground.

Great Idea!

Rip the old stuff out!

This issue is a severe one, and should be a rule.

Recent messages here in another post were reviewed by many and some had useful comments, and others made comments and tried to talk between the lines with words that were not clear making no sense whatsoever!

Say what you mean, instead of trying to dance around the subject!

..The issue regarding lead in the old pvc jackets is an alarming one...as is stated in the link,appropriate clothing and counter measures are to be taken..that sounds pretty serious...I wonder, does NM wire have the same lead-based pvc covering,and in time will it too deteriorate???

[This message has been edited by Attic Rat (edited 12-21-2003).]

In sparky’s reference, Salimando’s characterization of “…souvenirs from generations of tenants…” is just perfect. Too, this aspect of electrical work should carry it’s own version of “neat and workmanlike.”

Passed away since, Joe Roohan, a senior code-enforcement person from the LA area, used to pose to others [in IAEI meetings] the question, “How in the hell do you enforce ‘neat and workmanlike’”?