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Posted By: sparkync Outside outlets - 04/29/08 08:38 PM
Please refresh me on this. Does ALL outside outlets have to have an "in use" cover now, and could you give me the code reference? Thanks.. Steve
Posted By: resqcapt19 Re: Outside outlets - 04/29/08 09:53 PM
Not only outside, but all 15 and 20 amp 125 and 250 volt receptacle outlets installed in wet locations must have an "in-use" cover. The receptacle must also be listed as weather resistant under the 2008 code. 406.8(B)(1)
Posted By: tradesmen Re: Outside outlets - 04/29/08 10:07 PM
I have a few questions what is the difference between damp location and wet location? Then what would a covered front porch be considered. I use a regualar weather proof cover( with 2 flaps) on covered areas and in use covers in areas with no coverage(like 12" overhang)
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Outside outlets - 04/29/08 10:41 PM
The general practice, assuming that there are no physical barriers in place, is to go to the nearest overhead projection and imagine a 45 degree line, toward the structure. Above this line is considered "damp;" below it "wet." So, if you assume a porch 10 ft deep, with an overhang 8 ft. above the decking, receptacles on the inside wall would be in a 'damp' location.

The same rule can be applied to receptacles directly under the eaves. And, of course, there would be little sense in using a 'bubble' cover for a receptacle that faced 'down.'

Now .... here's the catch .... there is a general requirement that equipment be suitable for the environment in which it is installed. I would use this as a reason to use a "Bell" box in nearly any outdoor location, however it may be sheltered. Why? Insects. I'm tired of trying to remove covers, only to see six furry legs trying to pull the covers back on! laugh All those little holes in 'normal' boxes make them havens for wasps and spiders.
Posted By: sparkync Re: Outside outlets - 04/30/08 12:07 PM
If the receptacle is in, what is considered a "damp location", a regular weatherproof cover is approved?? This is what I get by reading 406.8 (A) in the 2005 code. So a receptacle that in under a front porch area, if it is not subject to a "beating rain" or "run off", does not require an "in use cover" ??? I have a job that is requiring the receptacles be located on the outside post, under a roofed deck. This is not directly subject to a beating rain,(unless the rain is a blowing rain), but I think I will go ahead and figure in use covers, for the reason that they are using it as an "outside kitchen" and there may be some appliances, such as a small refrigerator, that are left plugged up all the time. Thanks for the comments, Steve...
Posted By: Zapped Re: Outside outlets - 05/01/08 03:30 PM
There are very few instances where you should not use an in-use cover, IMHO. Exceptions, as mentioned above, would be on the underside of an eave (for holiday lighting, etc.) that has virtually no chance of being subjected to direct splash, from rain or any other source (i.e. sprinklers) when a plug is installed.

When in doubt, use an in-use.
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Outside outlets - 05/02/08 12:31 AM
Why did we suddenly get concerned with a little water splashing on a plug? If it is too much the GFCI will trip.
BTW is there an in use cover for the second string of Xmas lights you have plugged in the end of f1rst string? How about the plug on the tool you have plugged into the extension cord? That is a lot closer to the user than the receptacle on the wall.
I only have in use covers on the receptacles that will normally have something plugged in them. The ones that are only used for things I will use and put away have snap covers, not wasp condos.
Posted By: macmikeman Re: Outside outlets - 05/02/08 07:47 AM
Nowadays I like to refer to the NEC as the National Electrical Catalog, since it contains so many new procedures to buy new products.
Posted By: sparkyinak Re: Outside outlets - 05/02/08 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by macmikeman
Nowadays I like to refer to the NEC as the National Electrical Catalog, since it contains so many new procedures to buy new products.


"Not dat dare is funny no matter who you are. If you don't tink dat is funny, you git up outta here." - Larry the Cable Guy
Posted By: sparkyinak Re: Outside outlets - 05/02/08 03:15 PM
Living in a wet environment, The closed while in use covers are benefical if installed properly. The old gray covers did their job providing they were never opened, hence the stamped message on them, "Not waterproof when used". I have replaced several water damages recepts from open / broken covers that were FUBAR'ed. I have replace ones that were not damaged and rarey used and the device was in mint condition despite being located in a driving rain for 20 plus years. They CWIU covers can be easily damaged though if the recept is an are of high traffic areas. I use them alot up here and several have been busted. I did get a couple of the low profile sample covers that some linked to a while back. It is good concept but I am a little concern with the tension from the flexible portion cover will do to the cord over time and the look of them seem "odd looking" when cocked when something is plugged into them.
Posted By: Reel-Break Re: Outside outlets - 05/02/08 07:41 PM
We use the arlington products. Its the bomb weather proof cover and all come in one clean package and cheap to.MAkes a great finish not much outside check them out at arlington electrical fittings.No have no stock or nothing just great products.

http://www.aifittings.com/whnew74_newrigid.htm
Posted By: Reel-Break Re: Outside outlets - 05/02/08 07:43 PM
Sorry wrong product in post above here`s one for siding but they have them for brick everything.

http://www.aifittings.com/whnew74_newvinyl.htm
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Outside outlets - 05/02/08 08:27 PM
The problem with "in use covers" is they are not in use most of the time and wasps love living in them. I also have dirt daubbers that lay eggs in the ground pin holes.
Posted By: Theelectrikid Re: Outside outlets - 05/02/08 09:28 PM
Originally Posted by macmikeman
Nowadays I like to refer to the NEC as the National Electrical Catalog, since it contains so many new procedures to buy new products.



LOL, I gotta tell my instructor that one.

Ian A.
Posted By: mikethebull Re: Outside outlets - 05/04/08 01:30 PM
All receptacles in wet locations are supposed to be "in-use" covers as per 406.8(B). However I know in some parts of the northeast AHJ's will let you put the old WP covers on commercial buildings so as to prevent vandels from knocking them off or smashing them. As far as porches they are classified under 406.8(A).
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