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Posted By: shortcircuit Feeder Size - 01/11/06 09:25 PM
Can I feed a sub-panel underground in a commercial building with #2 USE-2 aluminum wire connected to a 100amp breaker, under the 2005 NEC?

shortcircuit
Posted By: resqcapt19 Re: Feeder Size - 01/11/06 09:32 PM
No.
Posted By: shortcircuit Re: Feeder Size - 01/11/06 09:49 PM
Violation of 110-14(C)(1)a ?

And the 6ft rule is gone in the 2005 NEC...right

shortcircuit
Posted By: George Little Re: Feeder Size - 01/11/06 10:50 PM
Don- can you elaborate? I agree with part of your answer but the question is not clear if the wiring is outside the building or not.

Also not clear if it's in conduit or not.
Edited for added thought.

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Posted By: shortcircuit Re: Feeder Size - 01/12/06 12:04 AM
George... the wire will be in pvc and the only part "in" the building is where it emerges from the slab to feed the panel...

shortcircuit
Posted By: winnie Re: Feeder Size - 01/12/06 12:14 AM
Umm, how about 310.15 in particular the fact that table 310.16 gives the ampacity of #2AL with 75C insulation and _terminations_ at 90A?

You'd need to jump a couple of hoops to use the 90C column, and 310.15(B)(6) doesn't apply here.

-Jon
Posted By: George Little Re: Feeder Size - 01/12/06 12:34 AM
The '02 code permits 6 feet of conductor inside the building and the '05 doesn't. That's probaby what Don was getting at and Winnie is right about the ampacity thing. Max overcurrent 90a.
Posted By: shortcircuit Re: Feeder Size - 01/12/06 02:25 AM
Thank you for the feedback...

shortcircuit
Posted By: resqcapt19 Re: Feeder Size - 01/12/06 04:44 PM
My issue is the ampacity of the conductor is 90 amps and cannot be protected by a 100 amp breaker.
Don
Posted By: Helectric Re: Feeder Size - 01/12/06 06:23 PM
George,

Just curious about why were you were asking if the conductors were inside or outside of the building. Does this matter?

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Posted By: George Little Re: Feeder Size - 01/12/06 10:50 PM
The '02 code allowed 6' of USE inside the building and the '05 removed that allowance, if I'm reading that correctly. We are on the '02 code here in Michigan and when I read Don's post I hadn't checked the '05.
Posted By: Helectric Re: Feeder Size - 01/13/06 02:40 AM
I see. For some reason I thought that your question related to ampacity which of course puzzled me. I was just of track.

Thanks for clearing this up for me!
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