Ugly's has a quicky CPR page in the back of the book, there has been some talk of CPR prerequesite for our trade

what do you think?

I don't think it would be a bad idea at all.

In fact I'm all in favor of everyone learning CPR and other basic first aid. Perish the thought that I might offend some of our education system here, but in my non-so-humble opinion teaching first aid in our schools would be far more useful than memorizing who was King of England in 1350 or whatever.

I agree. I wish our company would require it of all the maintenance Dept, they won't even talk to us about it though. Say we have enough "qualified" people now.

I had visited one company who had a number of people set up as a first response team, the $$ they spent came back double in insurance breaks.

Our company Electrical Safety Program requires all Electrical Personnel to be CPR certified and any standby personnel, as well.
The program hasn't been FULLY implemented yet (I'm not CPR certified yet) but itsa comin.

Redsy,
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we have several people in different areas of shop so that most are covered and they offer the training about 6 or 7 times a year to anyone who wants it. Iam CPR/AED and first aid certified i think everyone in maintenance or on a crew should be sometimes you guys are out in the middle of no were and it could save your life.

An interesting article in Jan 03's Electrical Contractor mag on this topic (it is not online at this posting) By Mr. Joe O'Connor on pg 4

The article states that there is an OSHA mandate requiring at least 2 CPR trained people on job sites.

OSHA does have a CPR requirement in it's "Power Generation Transmission and Distribution" Standard codofied 1910.269
It only applies to that, not electrical work on "utilization systems". I'm not sure but I have a recolection that NFPA 70E might also has a CPR / first aid requirement.

1910.269(b)
"Medical services and first aid." The employer shall provide medical services and first aid as required in 1910.151 of this Part. In addition to the requirements of 1910.151 of this Part, the following requirements also apply:
..1910.269(b)(1)
1910.269(b)(1)
"Cardiopulmonary resuscitation and first aid training." When employees are performing work on or associated with exposed lines or equipment energized at 50 volts or more, persons trained in first aid including cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) shall be available as follows:
1910.269(b)(1)(i)
For field work involving two or more employees at a work location, at least two trained persons shall be available. However, only one trained person need be available if all new employees are trained in first aid, including CPR, within 3 months of their hiring dates.
1910.269(b)(1)(ii)
For fixed work locations such as generating stations, the number of trained persons available shall be sufficient to ensure that each employee exposed to electric shock can be reached within 4 minutes by a trained person. However, where the existing number of employees is insufficient to meet this requirement (at a remote substation, for example), all employees at the work location shall be trained.
1910.269(b)(2)
"First aid supplies." First aid supplies required by 1910.151(b) of this Part shall be placed in weatherproof containers if the supplies could be exposed to the weather.
1910.269(b)(3)
"First aid kits." Each first aid kit shall be maintained, shall be readily available for use, and shall be inspected frequently enough to ensure that expended items are replaced but at least once per year.
..1910.269(c)
1910.269(c)
"Job briefing." The employer shall ensure that the employee in charge conducts a job briefing with the employees involved before they start each job. The briefing shall cover at least the following subjects: hazards associated with the job, work procedures involved, special precautions, energy source controls, and personal protective equipment.

Thats all very nice but if qualified workers deenergized and lockout or where allowed live work but with all proper PPE, there would be no need for CPR. HOW OFTEN IN YOUR DAILY WORK DO YOU WORK ALONE, as opposed to having someone else present just watching ?
Can you administer CPR to yourself ?

It's also kinda like the two person rule (very limited) in the 1910.269 standard where everyone now wants to have two people at every job. Unfortunately that usually results in 2 people being injured or killed.

Im not sure these kinds of requirements (addressing symptoms) are as effective as preventing the injury / accident / fatality to begin with.
OSHA Professor

i agree, an ounce of prevention as is said...

actually, the older manuals i have had a 'cough CPR' method....which i always thought strange.

Can you elaborate? This sounds, er, fascinating.....

Guy's,
I've tried to have this included in the Driver Licencing system, over here, for years.
It all came about, from an elderly lady who had a Heart Attack at a local Petrol Station,
where, everyone just stood around, wondering what to do, one guy put her in the "Recovery
Position", she died, before the Ambulance Staff got there.
WHY?!.

Guys,

I'm a one man shop, I am CPR trained and keep current (no pun). Never know when you'll need it.

BTW WA allows CU's for it.

Bob

I have never heard of "cough CPR".. but was interested in reading more about it. I found this site,
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcpr.htm

I know of folks that have survived choking by doing the heimlich maneuver on themselves.

Tiff

I'm very new here (can not find/read the newbie file???) so please bear with me.

Another option to consider (for the larger companies at least) is an AED -automatic external defibrillator. My company has recently purchase one and I'm all for it. Also, every "electrician" on staff has to be certified in first aid and CPR. We also give infant CPR for their personal use.

Thanks Tiffany.

welcome bchase,
people in EMS would like AED's as avaiable as fire extinguishers, as well as people that now to use them.

Trumpy,
no one likes that usless feeling really, many show up for training because of those scenes