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Posted By: jkraft intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/15/07 02:26 PM
One of my industrial customers recently had an OSHA inspector come through and make a "recommendation" that an installation I did represents an electrical hazard.

For years I've made up buss drop cables hanging from the ceiling with Kellum grips into 4" square boxes with either twist-lock or 120V duplex receptacles for machines.

His opinion is that when plugging into such a box the employees could push in the knock outs and be exposed to an electrical shock. His argument is that the box is not intended for this use.

He can't quote a code that prohibits this, it's just his recommedation.

Anyone ever had this problem?
Posted By: ITO Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/15/07 02:40 PM
Sounds like this guy is making it up as he goes along.
Posted By: Jim M Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/15/07 02:54 PM
I think it may have to do more with the UL listing of the 1900. I have heard that the commonly made up 1900 box extension cordsets seen on every construction job are a no-no, besides the fact they typically lack the GFI protection.

How about mounting an FS box on the end of the cable?
Posted By: SvenNYC Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/15/07 03:44 PM
Didn't we have a big-time discussion about these things years back?

Apparently, the reasoning is that the boxes aren't designed to be banged around, which could loosen the device and also break out the knockoffs.
Posted By: iwire Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/15/07 07:43 PM
Yeah we all have made boxes like that and I bet we all have seen them missing KOs.

You need a box listed for pendant use, this box will have a threaded hub for the Kellem Grip and will have no other KOs.

Be happy the OSHA guy did not fine the heck out of your customer.

The box will look similar to this one

[Linked Image from appletonelec.com]
Posted By: Redsy Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/16/07 12:43 AM
Look here http://www.woodhead.com/products/electrical/portablepower/
Posted By: togol Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/16/07 01:15 AM
what about using Hubbell I-Grips

instead of a box
Posted By: electure Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/16/07 02:21 AM
Although I hate cord drops, I think that the idea of pushing out the KOs is weak. If that were the case, wouldn't it be a problem with the boxes mounted on the wall as well?
The 4-S boxes are meant to be secured. Any of the other ways the guys have shown here are better.
Posted By: jkraft Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/16/07 02:47 AM
"Be happy the OSHA guy did not fine the heck out of your customer"

That's just the point, there is no written code prohibiting this.

I changed the boxes to Appleton JIC-B type boxes. Less expensive than twist-lock connectors or Woodhead products
Posted By: e57 Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/16/07 10:17 AM
I did think there was some sort of OSHA prohibition on making extention cords and the like with a 4S used on sites for temporary power. Not an NEC thing, but I think they might have something in the OSHA stuff? Anyone seen a wording for it?
Posted By: renosteinke Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/16/07 02:32 PM
I've seen the OSHA letter ruling, where they decided to apply 'pendant' rules to such extension cords.

The NEC only requires the boxes to have threaded hubs. I believe that ordinary "Bell" boxes comply.
Posted By: Helectric Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/16/07 04:17 PM
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The NEC only requires the boxes to have threaded hubs. I believe that ordinary "Bell" boxes comply.
We have hundreds of these around here and that's the way the inspectors enforce it. See 314.23(G)1 . We use "bell" boxes too.
Posted By: SolarPowered Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/16/07 05:16 PM
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314.23(H)(1): A box shall be supported from a multiconductor cord or cable in an approved manner that protects the conductors against strain, such as a strain-relief connector threaded into a box with a hub.

As I read this, it doesnt' require a box with a hub; that is simply a suggested method to achieve the required strain relief. As far as I can tell, a Kellems grip achieves equivalent strain relief when used with a four-square box, and thus meets the requirements of this code provision.

There are thousands of FS boxes hanging around here in the labs of Silicon Valley. laugh
Posted By: gfretwell Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/16/07 05:46 PM
I suspect this would get back to whether a locknut on a fitting in a KO is evaluated for a box where the wiring method and box is not secured in place. It will come down to a NRTL opinion if this gets escalated.
I can see this twisting and loosening up a locknut a lot easier that a fitting screwed into a hub wrench tight.
Posted By: iwire Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/16/07 07:59 PM
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That's just the point, there is no written code prohibiting this.
I disagree, you just have not run into this before.

Keep in mind OSHA (at least in my experience) has a much different perspective when applying rules than we do.

In other words they have no problem stretching and straining the rules to suit their needs.

The section OSHA can cite about using a 4" square like this is here from the Occupational Safety and Health Standards.

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1910.303(b)(1)(i)
Suitability for installation and use in conformity with the provisions of this subpart. Suitability of equipment for an identified purpose may be evidenced by listing or labeling for that identified purpose.
and here for construction sites

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1926.403(b)(1)(i)

Suitability for installation and use in conformity with the provisions of this subpart. Suitability of equipment for an identified purpose may be evidenced by listing, labeling, or certification for that identified purpose.
Here is an OSHA Standard Interpretation that puts their view is perspective. They are taking about job made extension cords but rest assured they will consider the cord drops we make as job made extension cords.

It's long but I made some key parts bold.

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• Standard Number: 1910.305(a)(2)

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June 17, 1992

MEMORANDUM FOR: LINDA R. ANKU
REGIONAL ADMINISTRATOR

FROM: PATRICIA K. CLARK, DIRECTOR
DIRECTORATE OF COMPLIANCE PROGRAMS

SUBJECT: Acceptable Job-Made Extension Cords

This is in reference to your memorandum of June 12, 1991 to your area directors and district supervisors on the subject of extension cords acceptable for use (copy attached). We believe your interpretation is unduly restrictive and that it does not accurately reflect the requirements of the applicable standards. We have prepared the following analysis, which indicates that shop-made extension cords and other temporary wiring is acceptable in certain circumstances. It is not required in all circumstances that an extension cord be approved as an assembly.

Analysis

Normally, electrical equipment must be approved as an assembly by a nationally recognized testing laboratory to be acceptable under the General Industry or Construction Electrical Standards (Part 1910, Subpart S and Part 1926, Subpart K, respectively).

However, it is also true that cord sets, assembled in the field by qualified persons, are appropriately used in both general industry and in the construction industry, under limited circumstances. Such cord sets are considered to be temporary wiring extensions of the branch circuit.

Temporary electrical power and lighting wiring methods, as specified in 1910.305(a)(2) and 1926.405(a)(2), may be of a class less than that required for a permanent installation. Thus, temporary electrical power and lighting installations are permitted during the period of construction, remodeling, maintenance, repair or demolition of buildings, structures and equipment or similar activities. Such temporary wiring must be removed immediately upon completion of the work for which the wiring was installed.

When the temporary wiring consists of shop-made cord sets, etc., using approved parts, as permitted by 1910.305(a)(2) and 1926.405(a)(2) the requirements for listing by a nationally recognized testing laboratory do not apply.

The practice of assembling electrical extension cords is considered to be in compliance with OSHA standards provided the assembled cord sets are assembled in a manner equivalent to those that are factory-assembled and approved. Criteria for determining whether shop-made cord sets meet existing electrical standards include:

1. All components must be approved for the purpose by a nationally recognized testing laboratory (1910.303(a)) and (1926.403(a)). Individual components must be compatible for use with the other components of the completed assembly.

2. The cord set must meet all applicable requirements of 1910 Subpart S and 1926 Subpart K. For example, the assembly must be marked appropriately (1910.303(e)) and (1926.405(g)(2)(iv)); boxing intended for use in a permanent installation may not be used (1910.303(b)(1)(i) and 1926.403(b)(1)(i)); cords must be connected to devices and fittings so as to provide strain relief (1910.305(g)(2) (iii) and 1926.405(g)(2)(iv)); cords passing through holes in enclosures must be protected by bushings or fittings designed for the purpose (1926.405(g)(2)(v)- fittings designed to fasten cables to metal boxes are not acceptable); and no grounded conductor shall be attached to any terminal or lead so as to reverse designated polarity (1910.304(a)(2)) and (1926.404(a)(2)).


3. The cord set must be assembled by a qualified person.

4. The wiring of the completed assembly must be inspected by a qualified person before the cord set is used initially. For example, the following checks and tests, or equivalent, should be performed:

(a) Determine that all equipment grounding conductors are electrically continuous.

(b) Test all equipment grounding conductors for electrical continuity.

(c) Determine that each equipment grounding conductor is connected to its proper terminal.

(d) Test each receptacle and attachment plug to ensure correct attachment of the equipment grounding conductor.

If you have further questions on this matter, please contact the Office of General Industry Compliance Assistance [at (202) 693-1850].
In my opinion OSHA could ask you to produce a listing from the box manufacturer that the box is made for pendant use.

You will not get that letter with Bell boxes, they not listed for pendant use.

Bob
Posted By: Luketrician Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/16/07 08:51 PM
iwire, I was looking at the box you have pictured above. I didn't see where appleton said that they were listed. I'm not in disagreement btw....
Posted By: iwire Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/17/07 09:11 AM
Luketrician, you are likely be correct. smile

All I did was find an image of a metal FS box for demonstration, that is why I said...

The box will look similar to this one

That particular box may not be listed for pendant use.
Posted By: Luketrician Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/17/07 01:03 PM
This might be the next best thing. If you are like me and can't find a box listed for pendant use. http://www.hubbellcatalog.com/wirin...772=14839&SUBMIT.x=35&SUBMIT.y=5
Posted By: jkraft Re: intended use of 4" sq. box - 03/17/07 02:58 PM
"I disagree, you just have not run into this before"

Well I asked the inspector to quote the code that prohibits this and he said there isn't one.

Heck I even thought of taking all the KO's out and replacing them with KO seals
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