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Posted By: Wireless Fishing Flex - 12/04/05 05:26 PM
Does Flex need to be strapped when fished through a drop ceiling?
Posted By: e57 Re: Fishing Flex - 12/04/05 06:26 PM
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348.30 Securing and Supporting.(A) Securely Fastened. FMC shall be securely fastened in place by an approved means within 300 mm (12 in.) of each box, cabinet, conduit body, or other conduit termination and shall be supported and secured at intervals not to exceed 1.4 m (41/2 ft).
Exception No. 1: Where FMC is fished.

Dropped ceiling with removable panels just means laziness...
Posted By: Wireless Re: Fishing Flex - 12/04/05 08:00 PM
Laziness? Having to open every tile on a 100+' run is alot more then opening 3 or 4.
Posted By: iwire Re: Fishing Flex - 12/04/05 08:41 PM
I do not believe for a minute that the inspector will agree that a suspended ceiling run is 'fished'.

IMO you will have to support the FMC off the ceiling.
Posted By: Cow Re: Fishing Flex - 12/04/05 08:42 PM
I agree with e57.

To put things in perspective.
100' run- 4' tiles= 25 tiles. Open every other one to strap means 12-13 tiles opened.

If tiles are 2' long then you open every 2-3 tiles, 15-25 opened. Whats the big deal. Leaving flex laying on tiles is lame. It's bad enough when the LV guys do it.
Posted By: A-Line Re: Fishing Flex - 12/04/05 09:21 PM
I believe the NEC now requires even low voltage cables to be supported in dropped ceilings. I don't think laying the cables accross the grid is acceptable anymore.

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Posted By: Wireless Re: Fishing Flex - 12/04/05 10:58 PM
Every 4.5' would be every tile. It was not fished just straight across the tile but over whatever was available to support it without getting in there.

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Posted By: LK Re: Fishing Flex - 12/04/05 11:57 PM
We just went thru this with a store, the LV guy fished the camera cables, no permit, just one problem the fire, and construction offical were in the store at the time, finally they caught a live one, the store owner was not very happy, paying to have it done right.
Posted By: hbiss Re: Fishing Flex - 12/05/05 01:23 AM
Probably a better question is why are you using 100 feet of greenfield in one run?

-Hal
Posted By: ShockMe77 Re: Fishing Flex - 12/05/05 01:31 AM
And if it was piped in say E.M.T. it would only have to be supported every 10'. I have to agree with everyone else here, do it right the first time and support the flex to what the code calls for. Good luck.
Posted By: russ m Re: Fishing Flex - 12/05/05 03:46 AM
I'd say 300.11 would not allow the ceiling grid to be used as support for the raceway.
There is no exception because the ceiling is an existing one.
Posted By: e57 Re: Fishing Flex - 12/05/05 07:35 AM
WOW - Use the L word and watch out...

Didn't mean to offend, but recently had someone tell me that fishing MC the same way over a dropped grid cieling was OK. When I said, "Man, thats a lot of tiles to open..." They looked at me like I was nuts, I then looked at them like they were nuts.

It (a grid ceiling) is designed that way for this express purpose...

IMO pipe is an easier method too. One caddy per 10', usually in the same tile you're putting the coupling in. (And support wire too, if ness. Think about how many of those you need for flex, or MC?)

Go as the crow flies, and it don't need to pretty, just solid. Straight pulls easier... Duck and run....
Posted By: e57 Re: Fishing Flex - 12/05/05 07:43 AM
Oh, where I am (SF,CA) FMC is limited to 6' maximum.... In any size...
Posted By: lamplighter Re: Fishing Flex - 12/05/05 02:49 PM
Let's not all forget about 348.26.
FMC should be limited to not more than the equivalent of 360 degrees worth of bends between pulling points.
I'm sure that over the course of a 100 foot run, there are more than 360 degrees worth of bends just in the places where it droops after going over something.
Posted By: Wireless Re: Fishing Flex - 12/05/05 04:20 PM
e57 your right emt is the easiest and the way I would normally do it. just this specific job I was not planning on running to the panel and I didn't have my caddy clips everyone was closed and it was to far away to have to go back.
Posted By: e57 Re: Fishing Flex - 12/06/05 01:03 AM
Use tie wire to lash it to the support wire.... Screw it to the ceiling....
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