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Posted By: Redsy Backfed Photocell? - 11/07/05 09:58 PM
A photocell will operate a lighting contactor. If I install a switch to bypass the photocell and energize the contactors coil, the bypass switchleg will also (back)feed into (red) photocell output leg.
Is this a concern?

Thanks.
Posted By: Dnkldorf Re: Backfed Photocell? - 11/07/05 10:03 PM
Not for me....

It is the same phase, right?

Your not really backfeeding it, your applying the same phase on the red wire, as if the photo cell was operating properly.


Dnk.........
Posted By: ShockMe77 Re: Backfed Photocell? - 11/07/05 10:06 PM
Not if its on the same phase. I've wired motion detector lights like this in the past. When the light switch is on, obviously the lights are on. When the switch is off, the motion feature controls the light. I think what you are describing is the same thing.
Posted By: iwire Re: Backfed Photocell? - 11/07/05 10:09 PM
I do not see any code issue with it.

However another option would be the use of a 3 way switch (SPDT)

Common to contactor coil.

One terminal from constant feed.

One terminal from red of the photo cell.

You end up with ON or AUTO with this set up and no back feed to the red of the cell.

Make sure the EGC is large enough. [Linked Image] [Linked Image]

Bob

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Posted By: Redsy Re: Backfed Photocell? - 11/07/05 10:40 PM
Thanks guys.

The phasing is OK.
I think I actually did this configuration once before, but I'm not sure.
My concern is damaging the photocell.

iwire,

EGC, what's a EGC? [Linked Image]




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Posted By: capt al Re: Backfed Photocell? - 11/08/05 01:44 AM
EGC = Equipment Grounding Conductor.

Al
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Backfed Photocell? - 11/08/05 02:14 AM
Not a problem. I usually do this very thing.

You are not "back feeding" the photocell. The photocell is nothing more than a switch. It does not draw any current.
Posted By: Redsy Re: Backfed Photocell? - 11/08/05 03:11 AM
Thanks again guys.



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Posted By: Larry Fine Re: Backfed Photocell? - 11/08/05 03:56 AM
Redsy, from what I understand, as long as the line (black) wire is hot, there's no harm in energizing the load (red) wire.
Posted By: Redsy Re: Backfed Photocell? - 11/08/05 12:09 PM
Larry,

The line won't ALWAYS be hot when the red is fed from the bypass. Only when the timers contacts are closed.

Thanks.
Posted By: Larry Fine Re: Backfed Photocell? - 11/08/05 03:27 PM
So you want the load to be controlled by a timer, a photocell, and/or manually? That can get complicated.

You can either come up with a selector switch, or just try the bypass and see if the photocell still works.
Posted By: XtheEdgeX Re: Backfed Photocell? - 11/08/05 03:57 PM
I've installed HOA's on all of our lighting contactors, so I can turn the control circuit on manually to check the outside lighting during the day, and be able to turn the control circuit completely off for lighting repairs. Doing it this way prevents back feeding the photocell.

HOA = Hand/Off/Auto (a 3 position switch)

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