Seems like there are recalls on products daily. It is really annoying at best and kind of scary at worst. I would not like to be the person that becomes the subject of the recall. In the last few months my Ford truck, Dodge durango, two cell phones, Sq D AFCI breakers and X box video game system have all been subject to recalls. If our work was done as shoddy as these manufacturers we would probably end up in jail.

Scott, have to agree with you! It does not seem like you can put on the nightly news without hearing of another recall. Big business is getting it rewards for taking their bean counters advice. Maybe now they will start listening to their engineers and make better products. Probably not.

Al

If everybody wasn't so 'litigation happy', I think there would be far less recalls. Recalls are just ass-protection for the manufacturer.

(I only know the math on for the xbox one.)

The failure rate was 0.000016312% for the XBox power cords. That doesn't seem to bad to me.

Scott, this is kind of parallel with installing everything per the word of the code with no common sense applied.

Roger

I don't see the parallel. I certainly have had issues where I have had to use creative code interpretation. It is a fact of life especially in remodel type work. The example you are talking about in my opinion has no wiggle room. Again where do you draw the line? Just because one way is an easier way does not make it right. for those who are wondering what the heck I am talking about.... https://www.electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005509.html



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Scott, the parallel is the fact the some of these recalls are for performance criteria that is ridiculous or a "it could happen" nature.

Are we going to mandate that every vehicle regardless of age be brought up to modern technology when we take it in for a set of brakes just to have it recalled for something that may go wrong with this new brake technology next year?

There are some valid recalls and bogus UL listings, but to recall a vehicle because the sheet metal may come apart when hitting a tree at 150 mph is not really a workmanship issue. (that was an exaggeration)

Roger

Roger now I see what you are getting at. I don't beleive that these recalls are for performance criteria, nor are they to bring the vehicles up to current technology as you suggest. Therefore I still don't see the parallel. The ones on my truck are both problems that may result in a fire. The one on my Durango could result in a crash. You would have a hard time convincing me that the manufacturers are recalling products, at a cost of who knows, for minor issues. My point is the lack of engineering or manufacturing that results in these defects. This could be parallel to tapping into an old circuit that ends up causing a fire where if you had followed the proper methods for the job it likely would not have happened.

Scott,
I can't sort of fathom your reasoning in your last post.
Recalls as far as I'm aware are made to protect the public, from dangerous situations caused by all sorts of things, motor vehicles included.
At the same time, there is NO such thing as an infallible product, everything that has ever been invented has had it's down-fall.
It's just that we seem to have a lot of lawyers that like to jump on stuff like this now.
Make your own decision.

Mike, my point is that there seems to be way too many recalls these days. I am sure that some are a result of someone covering their rear ends. But many are legitimate issues that have to be taken care of. Is the design/manufacturing process that much worse than it used be or was the protocall in the past just let it go and hope the results (deaths & injuries) are minimal and no one notices? The last part of my post was in refrence to a specific situation that has been dabated in another thread.

Here is a link to to auto recals, campains, and TSB's. http://www.alldata.com/recalls/ http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/menuitem.ee6733b87096a398d33a431046108a0c/


Try to find any car more then a few years old with out a safety recall or repair campain. Takes a few years for some problems to come out.

The TSB are tecnicnical service bulitains that inform the tec of common problems with a car or updated repair information. If you look back it is nothing new.

You need to concider how common or serious the recall is before you condem the car. Some recalls are simply a visual check of something and corection if there is a problem. Other ones highlight a major engering defect like the seat belts fail with overweight people.

The manufacture may initiate a volitary recall. Or the NHTSA can require the factory to do the recall. The NHTSA starts an investigation based on owners complaints.

Concider some recalls are brought from owners complaining about a failure that is not so much of a defect.

There was one about ball joints wairing out after 4 years and 60K miles. The truck never had a safty inspection so instead of finding a worn out piece it broke and the truck went off the road. I admit it is not great haveing anythig go bad at 60K but a safty recall on all the trucks is too much. The news stations like the stories. They are easy, just look up on the web sites. Filler for a slow news day. They probibly have a number of these stories ready. Monday morining not much news was gathered what do you get. Headline dodge recalls 1 milion trucks for the wheels falling off, after the weather. You'll hear about one person it happened to.

How would Dodge fix this. Inspect the trucks and If it's loose replace only the bad one.

With the number of different cars made today an auto recall could be a headline every day.

Just negitive news on TV.
What to get hammered? Watch CNN and take a drink every time you hear the word terrorist.

Tom