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Hazards of Old Wiring

Now just when did I become an authority?



(Or is it gonna be in a "look at what this idiot is trying to say" sorta way?!?!?)

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Virgil,

There you go!
Now you're going to have to subscribe!


Bill

Virgil;
i want your autograph

Thats what you get for being blessed with the gift of philosophical thought.

Told 'ya so, we told 'ya so. "Gaffer" is superceded by "Author"!

I have ALWAYS been terribly impressed, but I think it is the way one strap of your overalls is allowed to nonchalantly hang the way you do, could be the itinerant use of cow manure on your shoes.

Proud of ya!!! I kinda figured the first time one of us got quoted would go hand in hand with " I don't know WHY he climbed the water tower with that rifle ?" Ya done us proud

Hee hee! lol! Thanks George!

Bill, Yep, in the other thread about mags I signed up for CEE after visiting the link.

Told Mr. Harrington that it may not get processed in time after he offered to send me copies if needed.

Can't wait to read the rest of the article...

Uh... I hate to sound stupid... but what does CEE stand for? "Crazy Electrician Endeavors"?



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Close, real close!

I think it's "Consulting Electrical Engineering", Joe? is that right?


Bill

Sparky,
Used to stand for "Construction Electrical Engineering" then they shortened it to "CEE". I don't know about their website subscriptions, mine ran out and I signed up via their website, and never have had it start up again. They used to pay pretty good for articles, ask how much for a quote.

>Now just when did I become an authority?


You were going to update your website, weren't you?

I've changed the "72" to "70" (now how'd that happen?) and got rid of the redundant "that" in the first line...

Anything else?



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How about "Contractors Electrical Equipment?"

Virgil, God loves Mountaineers. Otherwise, about 75% of this state would have burned down already.

'Course, the smart move would be to go short (stock market term) on any company that sells fire insurance in WV.

Tom

Tom, boy, you are so right...

Defies the laws of physics...some of the stuff I see!

>Anything else?
Actually, yes.

Blow dryers are not actually in violation as described.

I have personally run a blow dryer for more than three hours as a kid when we were out of wood and I was cold... Don't underestimate the stupidity of the general public! (You must've never had pipes freeze either...Heck for that matter, I've done it as an adult!)

So there! It is a continuous load...

Furthermore, in my opinion, any thing that can be turned on and left on without it shutting itself off within three hours with a timer, thermostat or some type of control, would be considered a continuous load.

I realize that it is very arguable, that's why I said that there is controversy on whether they are legal.

And don't forget to exaggerate for clarity!



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Where connected to a branch circuit supplying two or more receptacles or outlets, a receptacle shall not supply a total cord- and plug- connected load in excess of the maximum specified in table 210-21(b)(2).

Circuit Rating Amperes 15 or 20
Receptacle Rating Amperes 15
Maximum Load Amperes 12

Circuit Rating Amperes 20
Receptacle Rating Amperes 20
Maximum Load Amperes 16

Bathroom Receptacles are permitted to be shared on one 20A circuit. And when shared, I believe one can use 15A recepts...

12A @ 120v = 1440w
16a @ 120v = 1920w

If they are to be under the 20A rating, they need a 20A plug... Do they not?

Bill, just what were your arguments about this again?

I apologize for my digression...

Please go here for a reprise of an old thread on hairdryers...

>I have personally run a blow dryer for more than three hours as a kid when we were out of wood and I was cold...
Were you using an extension cord?

>Don't underestimate the stupidity of the general public!
It's not stupid. If you had no wood, then the ambient temperature was probably well below 20°C giving the wiring increased ampacity.

>(You must've never had pipes freeze either...
Trailer folks.

>It is a continuous load...
That's what I said about leaving the hot water running.

>in my opinion, any thing that can be turned on and left on without it shutting itself off within three hours with a timer, thermostat or some type of control, would be considered a continuous load.
That is my view as well for purposes of sizing the conductors. Say, were you quoting me?

Anyway, when thawing pipes or in a cold house, you get a 25% uprating in ampacity from the DSpark table so long as you aren't using an extension cord of a gage less than the gage of the fixed wiring. So carry on.

Dspark... you are too funny!

LOL!

(Would you point me to the place from where I may have plagiarized you?)

http://www.mikeholt.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/001032.html : ...
>They are intermittent, thermostat controlled loads.
And the heater described has no automatic provision for limiting its duty cycle to 80% after three hours. Therefore, it is my personal opinion that it is a continuous load for the purpose of sizing the conductors.

Honest, Dspark, I haven't been to Mike's forum in weeks... It's just too busy for me to keep up...

Looks like we agree on something!

Go Here for the finished product!

Wow! Very few contractors in my area can boast of being quoted in a trade magazine...

This is truly an honor!

now if I could just make money at it...

See that?

So, you can't say that your advertising doesn't have any effect!


Bill

Congratulations, Virgil! I was perusing that issue in the..ah...library...and thought "Hey, I know that guy (sorta)"

Bill:

I never did find out what CEE stands for and have asked that question many times. I will ask again.

When I changed jobs back in April, I changed my subscription to CEE (and others) to come to the house via their online subscription.
The only one I've gotten has been EC&M.
Do they really move that slowly?

Actually, CEE doesn't' stand for anything anymore. But, when they started, 52
years ago, it stood for Contractor Electrical Equipment.

That makes Tom the Winner! What will his prize be?



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