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Posted By: Sandro Light Contactor humming. - 08/01/03 10:12 PM
Got a service call today, contactor #5 (there are a total of 6) humming/buzzing loudly. Traced it to coil. When I tapped it, I got different levels of 'hum', however, at its highest level it was quite annoying.

Anyways, what caused it to hum? Is this common to contactors?

Here are particulars if anybody cares... Square D product. 120V coil, and 3 pole 40amp rated, but only 15A @ 120V max actual load per pole.

Sandro.
Posted By: Wirenuttt Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/02/03 12:18 AM
I think the first thing I would look at is check for proper neutral connection to the coil. Check with amprobe under load. Make sure coil is sitting properly. Tighten all connections. Compare wire gauge to fuse, breaker and load.
Posted By: NJwirenut Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/02/03 12:29 AM
Contactors will often hum if dirt or rust gets between the pole faces of the magnetic core. A cleaning with a clean rag or fine sandpaper will often cure this.
Posted By: Scott35 Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/02/03 01:41 AM
Solenoid Coils for Contactors / Relays typically begin making obnoxious 120 Hz humming noise due to:

<OL TYPE=A>

[*]Contaminates between core laminations,

[*]Loose core laminations,

[*]Mis-Alignment of Solenoid,

[*]Contacts not seating completely (aka "chatter").
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A:
As mentioned, if the laminated core of the Contactor's Solenoid Coil has dirt build up or rust between laminations, this will cause humming (120 Hz humming to be precise).
This could occur on the stationary part, the moving / sliding part, or both.

B:
If the laminations become loosened, this also will cause noisy operation.

This also could occur on the stationary part, the moving / sliding part, or both.

C:
If the contacting "face" points of the core sections do not line up evenly, have excessive build-up on them, are slightly twisted off axis, or if one (or both) side(s) doesn't "pull-up" completely- resulting in a slight gap between stationary and moving cores when the Contactor is locked in, this will cause noise and heat.

D:
If the sliding portion of the Contactor does not completely lock-in, this will cause excessive noise and heat.

If you have the time (and patients [Linked Image]) to clean it, try that.
Need to remove the cores from around the coil and from the sliding assembly.
Clean cores with appropriate solution, let dry completely (maybe even dry in an oven at the lowest setting!), then re-assemble.

On a mis-aligned contactor, try loosening up the mounting screws during operation to see if this causes a drammatic reduction in noise. If so, re-mount contactor as needed.
Be sure to include isolation materials between contactor and enclosure!

For extremely mis-aligned contactors (out of alignment due to someone / something hitting it really hard, or installing it across an uneven surface), or contactors with a seating problem, there may be only one thing to do - replace the entire contactor!

Also, for severly rusted / loosened laminations, might need to replace core(s), contact assembly or complete contactor!

Good luck.

Scott35
Posted By: Trumpy Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/02/03 03:06 AM
I'd agree with NJwirenut on that one,
it's more a mechanical thing than an Electrical problem.
I'd say replace it, with a new one and save yourself the hassle of repeat call-outs. [Linked Image]
Posted By: frank Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/02/03 06:12 AM
I agree with Scott35 and NJwirenut too.i think this condition causes the coil to burn up over time as well.I'd change it for fear of a call back.


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Posted By: Electricmanscott Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/02/03 11:40 AM
"Why does the contactor hum"? It doesn't know the words! [Linked Image] Thank you I'll be here all week.... But seriously just replace it.
Posted By: n1ist Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/02/03 09:21 PM
Also make sure the contactor is securely mounted in the box.
Posted By: Bjarney Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/02/03 10:25 PM
Lapping the {often E/I-shaped} pole faces with something like 320-grit abrasive paper on a smooth surface is a usual fix. It is typically not a good idea to use any type of lubricant on the mechanism, for airborne contaminants are readily attracted.

Off-cycle condensation in contactor enclosures will assure repeat business.
Posted By: ThinkGood Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/03/03 01:30 AM
Scott35:

Why 120Hz?
Posted By: Sandro Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/03/03 01:34 AM
n1ist "Also make sure the contactor is securely mounted in the box."


THIS is what I suspected but I wasn't sure! I waited to see if anybody else would bring this up. It could be coincidence but in one enclosure there are 6 identical contactors, as I said #5 was faulty.....the only difference I noted was that #5 was the only one secured by a single screw in the upper left corner. All the others were secured tightly by 2 screws at the upper left corner and bottom right corner.

I wondered if this had anything to do with the failure.

Sandro.


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Posted By: iwire Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/03/03 02:11 AM
Thinkgood I believe that is because for every cycle you cross 0 volts twice.

Bob

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Posted By: Big Jim Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/04/03 06:16 AM
Many, if not most, contactors have copper eddy current rings wrapped around the ends of the pole piece. If those rings become loose, the contactor will buzz like a hive of angry bees. I've has some luck putting a little crimp on the side with a pair of dikes.
Posted By: JBD Re: Light Contactor humming. - 08/04/03 02:38 PM
Thinkgood,

The industry usually calls it "60 cycle hum" because it is caused by 60hz power. The reality is that it is really 120hz (or 100hz for our friends across the pond) hum in transformers and coils, and flicker in fluorescent lighting.

The 120HZ hum is a result of the magnetizing current of the coil going to zero every time the voltage goes to zero. The voltage in a symetrical waveform crosses the zero axis 2 times every cycle.
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