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Posted By: sparky*62 VFD'S - 03/13/03 02:04 AM
I am having problems with a 2hp 460 volt vfd . It has blown the capacitors inside the drive. I megged the motor and wires and no faults there. It has happened twice. Any ideas?
Posted By: WebSparky Re: VFD'S - 03/13/03 03:14 AM
vfd=variable frequency drive?

If so, make sure the incoming voltage is within range and not too low, especially if the drive is reversing during it's normal run cycle.

Just a hunch......

Dave
Posted By: bigrockk Re: VFD'S - 03/13/03 03:56 AM
Check out these links for some info:
http://gejones.com/Troubleshooting.doc
http://www.ecmweb.com/ar/electric_troubleshooting_vfd_problems/

Hope these help...Good luck
Posted By: Bjarney Re: VFD'S - 03/13/03 04:39 AM
High temperature and overvoltage can be tough on electrolytic capacitors. Check line-side diodes to be sure one didn't fail, injecting AC into the DC bus/capacitor(s). Sometimes smaller VFDs become such a narrow-profit commodity that it’s cheaper to do a wholesale replacement. Some make good boat anchors—many do not.
Posted By: Trumpy Re: VFD'S - 03/13/03 05:42 AM
62,
What sort of cabling are you using between the drive and the motor?.
Is there any Mains-borne interference on the wires feeding the VFD, these units need a perfect Sine Wave input or there will be problems.
Unfortunately, you will need an oscilloscope,
to see what the waveshape is like, any harmonic interference on the lineside of the VFD, cause wierd currents to flow where they shouldn't.
Hope this helps. [Linked Image]
Posted By: zapped208 Re: VFD'S - 03/13/03 10:50 AM
62,- This could be almost anything, like maybe a scr, rectifier, diode, or trim pot. Did you take it apart to see any possible over heating on the boards? Might be a good idea to call the drive's tech dept. for some help. did you disconnect motor leads from the drive before you meggered??
Posted By: gramps Re: VFD'S - 03/13/03 12:02 PM
check the output at the d.c. bus. should be between 700 and 800 VDC, for a 460 volt drive. if its not in this range, you prolly have an SCR problem.


gramps
Posted By: Pearlfish Re: VFD'S - 03/13/03 04:01 PM
How much torque is on your load and what is your Decel time? If your decel time is too short you will have too much regenerative current feeding back into your drive. A properly sized braking resister might help.
JMHO
Posted By: Format_C: Re: VFD'S - 03/13/03 10:21 PM
What are VFDS? I thought it meant Vacuum Flourscent Display (VFD) Like the displays in VCRs, DVDs, Receivers etc. Those displays are also used in computers now.
Posted By: iwire Re: VFD'S - 03/13/03 10:27 PM
Variable Frequency Drives

They control frequency and voltage supplied to standard AC motors so you can ramp them from 0 RPM to above the nameplate RPM if the motor can take it.
Posted By: go-go Re: VFD'S - 03/13/03 11:35 PM
A little more info would help, VFD make and model, distance between drive and motor, power supply configuration?
Posted By: Len_B Re: VFD'S - 03/13/03 11:42 PM
sparky*62,
In addition to the good advice already posted:
Check for possible ground faults with connected devices: motor, speed pot/input, switches or remote displays, etc.
Having said that, this sounds like an overvoltage problem on the DC bus. If you have a large overrunning load, (flywheel, large fan, etc) or anything driven with enough mass to pump too much emf back into the DC bus during decel this could be a problem. Most drives should be able to automatically handle this, by switching into a coast mode---the drive disconnects electrically from the motor and waits for the DC bus voltage level to drop before continuing the decel mode---or the drive should trip on a DC bus overvoltage. You might try changing the stop parameter to "coast to stop" if practical to see if the problem is linked to this.
Is this a fairly new "name brand" drive? I have had similar problems with some of the cheaper entries into the small hp drive market.

Len
Posted By: txsparky Re: VFD'S - 03/14/03 12:23 AM
To combine a few threads......

This thang aint one of them dang chiner speshuls is it? [Linked Image]
Posted By: Scott35 Re: VFD'S - 03/15/03 02:53 AM
I smell extended Overvoltage situations too!

This, plus the possibility of maybe the Caps are Polarized Electrolytics, would be sure to cause ruptures.

Are the Caps marked with any Polarity identifiers (aka "+" and / or "-", or listed as X00 VDC).

Polarized Caps continuously subjected to AC would fail (unless there's something I do not know of new Caps???). The higher the Hz, the easier to fail.

Scott35 S.E.T.
Posted By: bchase Re: VFD'S - 03/16/03 03:47 PM
My first question would be distance from drive to motor. If the motor is not inverter duty rated and the distance is more than 50 ft. I would look at putting a line reactor or a motor terminator on the circuit. Allen Bradley has a good white paper to describe this: http://www.ab.com/drives/techpapers/InstallationConsiderations01.pdf. If it is a brake problem, most VFDs will give a DC bus overvoltage fault instead of blowing the cap. Also, another problem similar to this that I came across is how the motor control circuit stops the drive. I have seen many times a contactor used to disconnect power to the drive. If the contactor is on the ouptut of the drive, it creates problems and I have lost 7-8 drives that way. You must open the drive enable before disconnecting output power (at least on the AB and Mitsubishi drives I've worked on).
Posted By: Nick Re: VFD'S - 03/16/03 04:03 PM
bchase,
The link you posted does not work.
Posted By: bigrockk Re: VFD'S - 03/16/03 04:29 PM
Hey Nick try this link
http://www.ab.com/drives/techpapers/InstallationConsiderations01.pdf
Posted By: sparky*62 Re: VFD'S - 03/16/03 05:46 PM
Thanks for all the replies.The drive is a AB 160 series using xhhw cable.I did check the ground connections.My problem was the line side reactor it was sending a voltage spike and blowing the MOV's.How it was damaged is still a mystery.
Posted By: dugmaze Re: VFD'S - 03/17/03 03:44 PM
I've seen a brand new one blow. We replaced it without any changes and it's working fine to this day! Probably made cheap.
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