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Posted By: HotLine1 Interesting method - 09/15/14 07:37 PM
Found this on a walk thru. One of many
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Posted By: gfretwell Re: Interesting method - 09/16/14 04:46 AM
Was this in a box or just a yoke screwed into the drywall?
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Interesting method - 09/16/14 01:46 PM
It's a shallow wiremold type box. There are quite a few others. This is a countertop; the appliance is a microwave.
The source of the NM is a male cord cap in a duplex behind the cabinet.

Male cord cap, cord to a wiremold box with a GFI/receptacle.

Basically, an attempt by a handyman/maintenance man.
Posted By: Texas_Ranger Re: Interesting method - 09/17/14 12:49 PM
Let's ask the other way round: what of the stuff we see here is actually acceptable according to the NEC and to your local code?

Stapling cable to the wall would be perfectly acceptable here, feeding fixed installations with cord and plug too, although only if proper strain relief is provided. Of course the angle plug with half-torn cord is inacceptable just about anywhere.
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Interesting method - 09/17/14 01:42 PM
Tex:
None of what is in the pic is compliant with the NEC.

NM as in the pic must be protected from physical damage. Using cord for permanent wiring methods is non-compliant. The EGC (Equipment ground conductor) must be present and connected properly. Polarity must be correct.

'Cord caps' do not provide proper strain relief and are not listed for #12 NM (solid conductors). The angle plug is a factory item on the microwave.

Going deeper into it, box fill, cable entry, etc. could be addressed, but....why beat a dead horse.

This is in the laundry area; others are in vending areas, and guest laundry areas & fitness room of a 100+ room hotel.

All is the "quality" electrical work of the maintenance guys!

It will be corrected to compliance, as the property is being sold.
Posted By: Texas_Ranger Re: Interesting method - 09/17/14 10:32 PM
I might miss a few points here. Where's cord used for permanent wiring? I see the two NM cables coming up, presumably feeding the receptacle and another downstream.

Then there's the poorly terminated grey cord that I thought was connected to a microwave.

All the points you mentioned make a whole lot of sense (although not all international codes are as strict) but I've got trouble spotting them in the picture. The whole setup does look hideous!
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Interesting method - 09/18/14 01:46 AM
Tex:
The cord issue is not visable in the pic, I have another pic of the cord issue. I'll post is asap.
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Interesting method - 09/18/14 01:54 AM
Tex:
The cord is visable in this pic.

The NM (romex)in the first pic is a tap via acord cap in an outlet in the back wall of thebase cabinet. Sorry for the confusion.

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Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Interesting method - 09/18/14 01:57 AM
Tex:
NEC Article 400 covers cord applications. 400.7 and 400.8 are the permitted uses for cord, and the prohibited use of cord.

The exhaust fan is wired with cord which is 'sleeved' in EMT. The yellow cord plugged into the receptacle is a rather nice 100' HD extension cord that powers a small fan that the laundry ladies use to help keep cool.

Also, the BX/MC cable that is tapped off of the circuit behind the emergency light requires straps to the wall.


Posted By: gfretwell Re: Interesting method - 09/18/14 03:58 AM
This is what I found in my kid's house, after they got a clean bill from a home inspector.

Water heater hook up

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Light kit on the fan

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Closet light. On off? turn the lamp.

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Posted By: renosteinke Re: Interesting method - 09/18/14 06:18 PM
This thread neatly sums up 90% of the topics in this forum. We see pictures of folks doing stuff the wrong way, using materials in manners never intended - and the matter made to look worse by progressively narrower rule interpretations.

We can also guess as to the context: Untrained folks expected to work miracles while satisfying contradictory demands.

We want it done NOW, CHEAP, Fast - and by the lowest paid folks in the economy. We don't want to waste money on tools or materials, inconvenience anyone for any time.

To me, it's pretty obvious: when you adopt third-world attitudes, you get third-world results. True "Yankee" ingenuity is nipped in the bud because it's "outside the listing and labeling," (or just "unlisted") while hackwork thrives because 'the inspector will never see it.'

Under those circumstances, hackwork becomes a virtue- and is preferred to doing things correctly. Shame is replaced by pride.

OK, enough rambling. I'll follow this post with several more, each addressing a individual picture.
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Interesting method - 09/18/14 06:36 PM
OK, about that first picture, the receptacle mounted over the countertop ....

There's nothing 'wrong' you can see, though you can make some pretty good guesses.

I'll overlook the plug separating from the gray cord, as that is an appliance cord, and was not the responsibility of the installer. Nice as it might be to have the receptacle placed to let the cord lay flat, it's not always possible to guess just where the appliance will sit, or what sort of plug will be used.

We can't see if there's a box used. If there is, I doubt there's room for two cables to enter (box fill violation) or if there are the required pigtails and free conductor length. There certainly isn't space for a GFCI receptacle, but that protection might be provided elsewhere.

Were this a commercial kitchen, the entire box / cover arrangement would raise sanitary and cleaning concerns.

It took some skill to route the cables through the small holes made in the backsplash. I see no problem with the cables being exposed - I do not see them as subject to damage. The recess provided by the counter's backsplash protects the cables.

We have no way to guess where those cables go.

A better choice would have been to use an 'old work' box to place the receptacle in a larger box, inside the wall. Again, our installer may not have even known such boxes exist, or have any idea how to install one. There's still the matter of getting power to the box.

I think we can see how this could easily become an involved job. Indeed, the latest NEC version has a specific provision that provides for a particular method in this case that involves an extension cord, and would have formerly been considered 'hack.'
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Interesting method - 09/18/14 06:47 PM
The second picture shows a fan, and emergency light, and an extension cord plugged into a receptacle mounted on the surface of a block wall.

I wonder how power is supplied to tat receptacle? Such a box would usually have a visible pipe going into one of the sides.

Perhaps the power comes from the box behind the emergency light. Then, what looks like a cord feeding the light might be some MC feeding the box below. In that case, the MC needs some strapping.

A closer look at the pipe feeding the permanently mounted fan reveals a cord & plug coming out the end, and plugging into the receptacle. This leaves us with the pipe (metal raceway) not being continuous- which brings into question the grounding of that pipe. Remember, it needs grounding at both ends. We also have that cord & plug being used in place of a permanent method. Far better had they simply run the pipe all the way to the box.

Apart from the 'detail' violation of a flexible cord being used where fixed wiring should be used, a common problem is that the cord used is of a smaller wire size than is allowed.

The extension cord sailing through the air is not, of itself, a violation.

Again, this location might require GFCI protection, and that might be provided elsewhere. We have no way to tell.
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Interesting method - 09/18/14 06:59 PM
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/easy%20water%20heater%20disconnect.jpg

I see a water heater powered by the use of a length of Romex, using a cord & plug into a receptacle.

Had they uses a proper flexible cord, they might have had my approval- but that practice is generally considered to be an improper use of flexible cords. We've discussed this topic extensively before. UL considers the use of a cord & plug to be a violation of 'listing and labeling' if the water heater is larger than 5 gallon.

But, no, they used Romex- and of the correct size. So far, so good. Alas, they blew it when they got to the receptacle.

The plug is not designed to grip Romex, so the cable will come out - much as we saw with that grey cord in the first pic. Of greater concern to me is that I recognize the plug to be a model rated for, at most, 20 amps. Water heaters generally draw 30 amps. I speculate that a 120v pattern was also used, setting the stage for a 120v appliance to be plugged into a receptacle supplying 240 volts. You'd have to unplug the heater to see if this is the case.

A closer look at the heater suggests that it just might be a 5 gallon, 120v heater. If that's the case, the only violation is using a plug on Romex.
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Interesting method - 09/18/14 07:05 PM
The last two pics show lighting.

The ceiling fan light - I see no issues. Quite a few fans come made this way; we're just missing the decorative cover that hides this design.

As for the closet light ... what can you say? Cord probably goes through a doorway, and is pinched whenever the door is closed. The exposed splices are required to be in a box. Incandescent bulbs need to be enclosed and mounted away from flammable closet contents.

I see a pipe, though- and not clothing. Incandescent lighting might be allowed.
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Interesting method - 09/18/14 07:30 PM
Reno:
Thanks for the posts....

The box by the microwave is a shallow 'Wiremold' box.

The e-light is compliant off of the lighting circuit in the EMT conduit. The feed down to the 4" box is MC/BX and flopping in the breeze.

As I said, a 100+ room hotel, found on a CCO inspection for change of ownership. There are numerous other issues, all involving 'handyman/maintenance guy work, most with cord.

That said, yes all done without permits, all by non-professionals. You get what you pay for. "It works"!!
Sorry, apply for permits, via a licensed professional, correct all the issues, have inspections, and then we will talk about the CCO.

Sooner or later...it catches up with ya!!

Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Interesting method - 09/18/14 07:32 PM
Gregs ceiling fan light kit looks like the support for the socket may be just the wires, but it's hard to tell from the pic.

The closet light is a classic!

The water heater is another. Must have been fun getting the 10/2 in the cord cap.
Posted By: mbhydro Re: Interesting method - 09/20/14 02:24 PM
If you look closely you can see the metal clip support for the fan light. I have seen similar supports on table lamps.
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Interesting method - 09/20/14 03:55 PM
Greg:

OK, how about you reveal what is up with the fan light kit??
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Interesting method - 09/20/14 09:17 PM
That is just a lamp holder screwed into the fan J box cover and they drilled 2 holes in the cover, no bushings, for the fixture wires. They used a regular 1/4-20 screw, not the 1/8 NPT threaded tube so they could not route the wires up that way.

One of their house warming gifts was the listed fan light kit of their choice at the home store.

I wired them in a real closet light but we left the water heater alone. I know the 6-20 plug and the Romex is not right but water heaters don't last that long here and we will fix it when they get a new one.
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