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Posted By: renosteinke Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/22/10 05:21 PM
Another thread(about feeders) mademe realize that I have never given power theft any specific consideration in my designs. What about you?

When the other halfof my duplex was the local dope house, I was wide open to someone tapping into the lines as they passed through the attic. Considering the 'cleverness' often shown by meth-heads, it's almost a miracle that no attempts were made- especially when their power was cutoff.

I have certainly seen examples of power theft -be they tapping into the building's outside lighting, or even the service drop with some 'zip'cord- but I've never really given the topic much thought.

How would you design in some resistance to power theft?
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/22/10 06:54 PM
I think the best answer of you were really worried would be feeders in RMC if they were exposed or better, put the feeder under concrete. Out of sight, out of mind.
Even EMT could be compromised fairly easily. Just crack off an end to end connector and separate the pipe far enough to get a Kupltap in there. A wrench tight RMC connector is a lot harder to displace.
The only place I really saw them interested in power diversion was the prisons and they really tried to have everything in the dorm areas behind the block wall.
Posted By: Tesla Re: Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/22/10 10:11 PM
The most commonly available routes to power theft is shunting tenant loads on to house circuits in a commercial setting.

However easy such a thing might be done -- it isn't because of many factors starting with landlord provisioned circuits being so often on a dependent switch-leg of a timed circuit.

Posted By: twh Re: Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/23/10 01:09 AM
We plug in our cars in the winter. In lots open to the public, the power must be off at night.
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/23/10 01:29 AM
twh, that's a good point! With the advent of 'electric cars' and such, I bet we start seeing a lot more hanky-panky in light pole bases!
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/23/10 01:57 AM
We had an instance last year of an individual with a camper (slip-in type) parked in a muni lot for a period of time. That lot has power receptacles in pedastals & pole bases for civic events. The guy in the camper was very comfortable & cozy until someone noticed. He left very peacefully.

I only recall two resi theft of service from the POCO. One being a SFD that fell on hard times; he ripped up the meter pan to gain access to the line side & installed jumpers. Burned up one line/load jaws in the pan, then relocated all his cbs to the remaining phase. Snip at the pole cured that.

The other was squatters in a vacant 2 family. That was cured by a snip at the pole, after they wrecked the two meter pans.



Posted By: gfretwell Re: Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/23/10 02:45 AM
Most of the power thefts here are pot grow houses.
Posted By: NORCAL Re: Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/23/10 03:36 AM
There was a thread here many moons ago showing pictures of power theft 1 in particular,showed a rigid riser into a semi-flush panel where it had been cut open to access the PoCo conductors to tap off for their veggie growing operation......
Posted By: gfretwell Re: Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/23/10 05:23 AM
I heard about one where they put a plumbing tee in the riser where it went through the roof to Soffit area and had a loop in the line on a service change. I think it was the cops who eventually found it when they raided the house.
Posted By: renosteinke Re: Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/23/10 02:18 PM
Well, Greg .... that's not quite what I meant by designing for power theft. laugh One must give them credit for planning ahead, though.

There's only so far you can go with materials and planning. Sure, it helps to use pipe and ru n it in inaccessible places - but I recall one Holmes episode where the thieves core drilled the foundation with surgical precision.

I expect that the final solution would be to have multiple meters, at each end of the line in question. One in the electric room and another at the panel.

As already mentioned, the thief does not always tap his own line. The two power thefts I've encountered involved a tenant tapping into the 'house' power. One of those involved a tap on a branch circuit - so the only means of detection would have been to measure the actual use of that circuit over time.

Circuit layout and identifaction also matters. When a circuit hops all over the place - a common result when the circuit is modified over time - it's just too easy for a circuit to wind up serving multiple tenants as walls get moved about in various remodels. While this may not be deliberate theft, one party pays for the other's use.
Posted By: Alan Belson Re: Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/23/10 02:37 PM
You Couldn't Make It Up Department:

"My neighbour has hooked his electric up to a lamp post. Can you do this work yourself or do you need a certified electrician?

[From a UK Forum.] bash
Posted By: HotLine1 Re: Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/24/10 12:41 AM
Reno:
I had an office bldg that was much modified over the years by 'who did it & ran'! Going thru one vacant 'suite' with the owner; found the lights & switch in the next suite, & the 'vacant' suite had the HVAC t'stat. Nightmare & a half. Both suites were tapped from the 'house' panel, & the HVAC RTU was fed from a second floor tenant panel; gas from the first floor childcare tenant.



Posted By: sparky Re: Power Theft:: Is it in Your Designs? - 11/24/10 11:46 AM
well out in God's 2nd home country, it's outside GFI's

some folks only visit their hokmes up here when the skinig is good

so, i 'design' all the outside GFI's to be load side from the one under the panel

a dedicated circuit, if room for it

then they (owner, caretaker) can simply pop the test button, and not need to worry about 300' extention cords via larry, daryl and daryl...

~S~
I have seen where the service mast went through the roof overhang and then down to the meter. Unknown to many people in that roof overhang was a splice box. The splice box tapped the service line and went to a separate panel up stairs. This whole panel was before the electrical meter and therefore "free". That is until they got found out and turned over to the proper authorities.
Another story that this reminded me of, in Canada there is a show called Holmes on Homes. He went into a house that was a pot growing factory. He showed where the tenants of the house tapped into the main service and installed all sorts of temp. lights with grow bulbs in the basement. It was a major mess.
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